450 (3) A Code violation

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WA_Sparky

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Per NFPA 70-450 (3) A.
Secondary protection 1000 Volts or less. Breakers or Fuse rating for secondary side of transformer (unsupervised locations). Breaker/fuse rating = No more than 125% of max current from transformer.

  • Is this applicable to secondary side of utility transformer, building main disconnect?

Say we have a project with 500A demand @208Y/120V 3Ø.
We estimate the appropriate size of transformer to be installed is 225KVA (624A @208 3Ø).
We size our main disconnect for 600A.

Utility then comes in and puts in 150KVA transformer (416A @ 208 3Ø). Ive heard from many utility guys talk about their rules of thumb are to load transformers up to 150%.

Now in theory, our design is a code violation because 416A*1.25= 520A max secondary protection<600A disconnect.
Due the chance of utility changing transformer sizes after CD's/Permit sets are issued:
  • Is it standard practice to spec adjustable electronic trip breakers on utility xfmr secondary so protection can be adjusted to meet 125% requirement?
  • Do fuses within utility transformer count for secondary protection, therefore this code article doesnt apply to service entrance situations?
  • For changes that occur after project is issued, is it utilities responsibility to provide necessary protection or is EC/EE responsible for coordinating with utility during construction and eat any cost associated with for oversized equipment?
Thanks,

WA
 

david luchini

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Per NFPA 70-450 (3) A.
Secondary protection 1000 Volts or less. Breakers or Fuse rating for secondary side of transformer (unsupervised locations). Breaker/fuse rating = No more than 125% of max current from transformer.

  • Is this applicable to secondary side of utility transformer, building main disconnect?

Say we have a project with 500A demand @208Y/120V 3Ø.
We estimate the appropriate size of transformer to be installed is 225KVA (624A @208 3Ø).
We size our main disconnect for 600A.

Utility then comes in and puts in 150KVA transformer (416A @ 208 3Ø). Ive heard from many utility guys talk about their rules of thumb are to load transformers up to 150%.

Now in theory, our design is a code violation because 416A*1.25= 520A max secondary protection<600A disconnect.
Due the chance of utility changing transformer sizes after CD's/Permit sets are issued:
  • Is it standard practice to spec adjustable electronic trip breakers on utility xfmr secondary so protection can be adjusted to meet 125% requirement?
  • Do fuses within utility transformer count for secondary protection, therefore this code article doesnt apply to service entrance situations?
  • For changes that occur after project is issued, is it utilities responsibility to provide necessary protection or is EC/EE responsible for coordinating with utility during construction and eat any cost associated with for oversized equipment?
Thanks,

WA
No, it does not apply to the utility transformer.
 

augie47

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State Electrical Inspector (Retired)
Key here is "Service Point".. You are responsible for everything to the service point. Ahead of the Service Point, totally POCO... sometimes it's best not to look :)
 
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