517.18 and 517.63 dental exam room

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when applying article 517.18 to a dental exam room it says there must be a minimum of 8 receptacles located at patient bed locations. Would the dental chair receptacle count as 1 of these receptacles? It also says you must provide at least 2 branch circuits. One from the critical branch and one from normal power. What if there is no critical branch? I don't see where a critical power system would be required in a dentist office. Also would 517.63 be required for the lighting in the room to require battery backup?
 
For your first question, read Exception No. 2 to 517.18(A), for your second question concerning 517.63, if the room is actually designate as an Anesthesia Location the answer is yes.

If the facility doesn't have a Critical Branch the requirement for having both Normal and Critical in the vicinity doesn't apply.

Roger
 
roger said:
For your first question, read Exception No. 2 to 517.18(A), for your second question concerning 517.63, if the room is actually designate as an Anesthesia Location the answer is yes.

If the facility doesn't have a Critical Branch the requirement for having both Normal and Critical in the vicinity doesn't apply.

Roger
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Thanks. I missed that exception
 
hbiss said:
What dental exam room has patient beds? If you read Art. 517 you will realize that a dental office is not a health care facility.

-Hal
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Sure it is.

Health Care Facilities. Buildings, portions of buildings, or
mobile enclosures in which human medical, dental, psychiatric,
nursing, obstetrical, or surgical care are provided. [99:3.3.67]


Informational Note: Examples of health care facilities include,
but are not limited to, hospitals, nursing homes, limited care
facilities, clinics, medical and dental offices, and ambulatory
care centers, whether permanent or movable.
 
By definition yes. But you tell me- what kind of dental office is this, maybe I'm wrong. Are there patient beds and anesthetizing locations (because that's what you are asking about) or just the usual dentist chairs in treatment rooms?

This has been discussed here before.

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
By definition yes. But you tell me- what kind of dental office is this, maybe I'm wrong. Are there patient beds and anesthetizing locations (because that's what you are asking about) or just the usual dentist chairs in treatment rooms?

This has been discussed here before.

-Hal
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dentists chairs are considered operating beds... not chairs... even though they resemble barber and beauty chairs.... have to be made to medical standards
 
Microwatt said:
I have to go with hbiss on this one. Dental chairs are not patient bed locations as defined by 517.2.
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It depends on what type procedures are done in the particular room. In a room where maxillofacial surgery is performed the chair can very easily meet the definition in 517.2 as well as make the room an Anesthesia Location.

It boils down to what the design and AHJ classifies the room as.

Roger
 
roger said:
It depends on what type procedures are done in the particular room. In a room where maxillofacial surgery is performed the chair can very easily meet the definition in 517.2 as well as make the room an Anesthesia Location.

It boils down to what the design and AHJ classifies the room as.

Roger
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I am also with Hbliss on this one. The OP stated Dental Chair, he didn't say procedure table or bed with the implication of sleeping, so it would reach the definition of patient bed location. Just as Dental office isn't Dental surgery critical care area. Without far more specific information, the OP's question definitely warrants :? reaction. sorry.
 
hbiss said:
By definition yes. But you tell me- what kind of dental office is this, maybe I'm wrong. Are there patient beds and anesthetizing locations (because that's what you are asking about) or just the usual dentist chairs in treatment rooms?

This has been discussed here before.

-Hal
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I didn't mean to imply that 517.18 and 517.63 would apply to a typical dentist office. I was just directly replying to your comment that dentist offices are not health care facilities. Clearly they are.
 
Strathead said:
Without far more specific information, the OP's question definitely warrants :? reaction. sorry.
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Which is the reason I said "It boils down to what the design and AHJ classifies the room as."

Roger
 
As a follow up to the original question along the same lines: do the receptacles in the dental treatment room need to be Hospital Grade?
Most dental treatment rooms employ nitrous oxide as an anesthetizer.
 
jerrynoel said:
As a follow up to the original question along the same lines: do the receptacles in the dental treatment room need to be Hospital Grade?
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No and Yes. Per the NEC the receptacles do not need to be HG unless the chair is in fact going to a procedure table per 517.61(C)(2).

However, many equipment manufactures (including chair manufacturers) require HG receptacles for their equipment.

Roger
 
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