6' from inside pool wall?

[mopowr steve]

In the case of an above ground pool that is 54" above grade does the 6' measurement for pool pump motor connection/receptacle originate at the top edge of pool which could lead to a less than 6' from the pools exterior wall at grade level?
Seems that this should be allowed since it appears that the distance regulation is in relation to lengths of appliance cords which typically are <=6'
Am I right?

 

[Little Bill]

In the case of an above ground pool that is 54" above grade does the 6' measurement for pool pump motor connection/receptacle originate at the top edge of pool which could lead to a less than 6' from the pools exterior wall at grade level?
Seems that this should be allowed since it appears that the distance regulation is in relation to lengths of appliance cords which typically are <=6'
Am I right?

Since the pool is more than 42" it is treated as a permanent/in-ground pool. I don't have time right now to look, but you can look in 680 and it tells you where the measurement is taken from.

 

[mopowr steve]

I've been reading NEC 680 but still seems a bit unclear when dealing with an above ground pool where the edge of wall/water is above 48" from grade.
looking at illustrations so far only show in-ground pool installations measuring from inside wall horizontally along grade whereas the water level is near grade.

The article eludes to the fact 6' distance is so that an appliance (with a cord no longer than 6') plugged in to a receptacle can not fall into the body of water. So I'm thinking if the accessible edge of water is actually several feet above grade then the 6' measurement could be taken diagonally to pool ledge. Anybody have an answer for this, I think we covered this in a CEU class but can't remember what we came up with on it. Maybe Mike Holt has a illustration for this distance?

With that being said the receptacle I am referring to is for pool pump which is required to not have a cord longer than 3'.

One more thing for clarity, if the grounding conductor of a branch circuit to pool pump recept is to be insulated in PVC conduit outside is it still required to be insulated within the interior of a dwelling?

 

[david]

I've been reading NEC 680 but still seems a bit unclear when dealing with an above ground pool where the edge of wall/water is above 48" from grade.
looking at illustrations so far only show in-ground pool installations measuring from inside wall horizontally along grade whereas the water level is near grade.

The article eludes to the fact 6' distance is so that an appliance (with a cord no longer than 6') plugged in to a receptacle can not fall into the body of water. So I'm thinking if the accessible edge of water is actually several feet above grade then the 6' measurement could be taken diagonally to pool ledge. Anybody have an answer for this, I think we covered this in a CEU class but can't remember what we came up with on it. Maybe Mike Holt has a illustration for this distance?

With that being said the receptacle I am referring to is for pool pump which is required to not have a cord longer than 3'.

One more thing for clarity, if the grounding conductor of a branch circuit to pool pump recept is to be insulated in PVC conduit outside is it still required to be insulated within the interior of a dwelling?

Here we do not believe the water surface becomes a consideration. For two reasons, we find the same wording when it comes to both storable and permanent pools. Second installer or user of either type pools would not be required to use the max. water level that a pool is designed for. From an enforcement point of view we take it as a horizontal measurement from the inside wall of the pool

we are using NFPA 70/2008

And for clarification there is an allowance for an #12 or larger equipment ground covered by a cable sheathing rather than being insulated, for single family dwellings, your question was directed toward dwellings