A question for those familiar with the NEC adoption in New Jersey

[EeeeVeee]

I know this won’t matter in a few days when the grace period is over, but I am still curious.

625.54 was a TIA in the 2017. It was added later, it is not in my 2017 NEC PDF.

One inspector said that New Jersey adopted the original 2017 code and 625.54 is not enforceable.

Now I have a different inspector saying that all the TIAs are automatically adopted into our code and he failed an EV receptacle installation today done under the 2017 code because I didn’t GFCI protect it.

Does anyone know for certain if the TIAs are automatically adopted in NJ?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

@infinity will probably know but IMO, if you accept the 2017 NEC then any TIA's after that adoption should be voted on and passed. I can't imagine that they would blindly accept all TIA's but I guess it is possible.

 

[EeeeVeee]

@infinity will probably know but IMO, if you accept the 2017 NEC then any TIA's after that adoption should be voted on and passed. I can't imagine that they would blindly accept all TIA's but I guess it is possible.

Agreed. It really doesn’t make much sense.

 

[infinity]

625.54 was a TIA in the 2017. It was added later, it is not in my 2017 NEC PDF.

One inspector said that New Jersey adopted the original 2017 code and 625.54 is not enforceable.

I don't follow. 625.54 was added in the 2020 NEC so how does this affect the 2017?

I thought that all TIA's became part of the code. Kind of like we made a mistake and this is what that section covered under the TIA should have said.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I don't follow. 625.54 was added in the 2020 NEC so how does this affect the 2017?

I thought that all TIA's became part of the code. Kind of like we made a mistake and this is what that section covered under the TIA should have said.

625.54 was a Tia in 2017 edition

https://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/TIA_70_17_2.pdf

 

[EeeeVeee]

I don't follow. 625.54 was added in the 2020 NEC so how does this affect the 2017?

I thought that all TIA's became part of the code. Kind of like we made a mistake and this is what that section covered under the TIA should have said.

When New Jersey adopted the 2017 code 625.54 did not exist. Later the NFPA added 625.54 as a TIA. so my question is, are we bound by the code as it was when it was adopted? Or are we bound by any TIA that was summarily added afterwards?

To give an analogy, we are now on a 2020 code. If the NFPA makes some TIA next month saying something outlandish like we have to only use 12 gauge wire or larger, does that mean that automatically becomes code in New Jersey from that point on?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

When New Jersey adopted the 2017 code 625.54 did not exist. Later the NFPA added 625.54 as a TIA. so my question is, are we bound by the code as it was when it was adopted? Or are we bound by any TIA that was summarily added afterwards?

To give an analogy, we are now on a 2020 code. If the NFPA makes some TIA next month saying something outlandish like we have to only use 12 gauge wire or larger, does that mean that automatically becomes code in New Jersey from that point on?

I thought Infinity was saying that was the case. However you should not be responsible for a TIA that came out after your permit was obtained

 

[EeeeVeee]

I thought Infinity was saying that was the case. However you should not be responsible for a TIA that came out after your permit was obtained

If that is the case it seems very, very wrong. A private organization can change the state law at their choosing? Without any oversight or approval from the state?

For what it’s worth, the TIA came out long before I pulled this permit. But I didn’t know about the TIA since it didn’t exist when I obtained the code book that New Jersey said it adopted. I guess I will have to buy a new code book every couple months to make sure it’s updated?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

If that is the case it seems very, very wrong. A private organization can change the state law at their choosing? Without any oversight or approval from the state?

For what it’s worth, the TIA came out long before I pulled this permit. But I didn’t know about the TIA since it didn’t exist when I obtained the code book that New Jersey said it adopted. I guess I will have to buy a new code book every couple months to make sure it’s updated?

I don't believe buying a new book will help. You need to keep up with the TIA's

 

[Dennis Alwon]

If that is the case it seems very, very wrong. A private organization can change the state law at their choosing? Without any oversight or approval from the state?

For what it’s worth, the TIA came out long before I pulled this permit. But I didn’t know about the TIA since it didn’t exist when I obtained the code book that New Jersey said it adopted. I guess I will have to buy a new code book every couple months to make sure it’s updated?

I am not sure that is the case. I would call the authority having jurisdiction for the state.

 

[EeeeVeee]

I don't believe buying a new book will help. You need to keep up with the TIA's

The first inspector showed me a screenshot of his 2017 code book PDF which had 625.54 in it. So apparently they add TIAs to newer productions of the code book.

 

[infinity]

I have the 2017 PDF and there is no 625.54.

 

[EeeeVeee]

My 2017 that I obtained when NJ adopted it:



My inspectors 2017 that he obtained after the TIA:



Just to clarify, the inspector that gave me this screenshot agreed that NJ does not go by the TIA's, only the code as adopted. But now I am dealing with a second inspector who says we have to go by any TIA, which seems absolutely ludicrous. We are not talking about spelling or grammatical corrections here, this is a major change.

 

[LarryFine]

Just to clarify, the inspector that gave me this screenshot agreed that NJ does not go by the TIA's, only the code as adopted. But now I am dealing with a second inspector who says we have to go by any TIA, which seems absolutely ludicrous. We are not talking about spelling or grammatical corrections here, this is a major change.

If there are two inspectors, there's gotta be a supervisor. Contact that person and explain what you have told us here.

 

[EeeeVeee]

If there are two inspectors, there's gotta be a supervisor. Contact that person and explain what you have told us here.

They are in 2 different towns.

 

[infinity]

Just send an email to the code assistance unit of the DCA. They will get you the correct answer.

I checked my 2017 and that page number is not the same.

 

[LarryFine]

They are in 2 different towns.

Still, I would contact your inspector's supervisor. That's who will make the final decision anyway.

 

[EeeeVeee]

Just send an email to the code assistance unit of the DCA. They will get you the correct answer.

I checked my 2017 and that page number is not the same.

I'll email Code Assistance.

As far as your 2017 being different, so now that's a 3rd different copy. How do we keep up?!?! lol

 

[EeeeVeee]

Code assistance got back to me this morning saying, and I quote:

“Provided this is rehab, the inspector is 1000% WRONG!!!!”

“We adopt only ONE edition of a code, once adopted, any articles included in future editions ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE, UNLESS THE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY STATES SO!”

I’m not sure what he means about it being under the rehab subside. This is an existing house that I added a receptacle to, would that be under the rehab subcode? Even if it’s not, how would that change anything?

 

[Ken_S]

NJ Department of Community Affairs

current adopted codes and previous codes

www.nj.gov

You can scroll down to the electrical section, NJ adopted the 2020 with TIAs 1-9