Abandon Emergency Lights

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muskiedog

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Are emergency lighting that have been removed from service due to emergency backup generators supplying lighting withing 10 seconds need to be removed from the buildings?
 
Not per the NEC, but I don't know about building codes. The only thing that I am aware of that the NEC requires to removed, after it is taken out of service, is low voltage wiring (e.g., cable tv wires). But even that can be abandoned in place, if you label it.
 
But even that can be abandoned in place, if you label it.

Show me code section that allows this if it is not for planned future use. I have had AHJ state that if it is for future use, there had to be plans for its use and to show him the plans or take it out.

Are you sure it is allowed to be abandoned in place?:smile:
 
I called it a "label," and did not elaborate on the required contents of the label. The code calls it a "tag," and does say what has to be written on the tag.

How about 820.2, as an example? The definition only says that a tag declaring that the cable is intended for future use is all that is needed. I'd ask the AHJ to show me the code section that says you have to have written plans already developed.
 
It was the last piece of Cat #3 in the area. Everything else was Cat #5. It didn't seem terribly unreasonable at the time for him to doubt there were any plans for future use. It was only a 5 min job and so I complied with his wishes.
 
Back to the original question, if you were to leave them in place, I could see an Inspector, Fire Marshal, and / or Insurance carrier requiring them to be working and maintained including testing on a regular basis whether they are necessary or not.

Roger
 
roger said:
Back to the original question, if you were to leave them in place, I could see an Inspector, Fire Marshal, and / or Insurance carrier requiring them to be working and maintained including testing on a regular basis whether they are necessary or not.

Roger

NFPA 101 requires monthly testing and an annual test, but I know of very few places that do any of this. I do know there was a multimillion dollar law suit over 9-11 and the twin towers for not having done the testing. It seems like the only time there is an issue is when there is a serious mishap involving death or serious injury.:( :confused:
 
Sounds like its time to get local fire marshall in on this. Get their approval or not.

Hate to pay to remove theses if we do not have to.

Thanks
 
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