I was inspecting a pool and asked for the pump motor to be on separate circuit than the general purpose outlet. I am using NEC2002 and the cod article is 680.22 (A)(1) for the circulation pump for pool. and for the general purpose outlet 680.22(A)(3). could anyone interject
Above ground pool
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Jim W in Tampa
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Can we assume this is a plug in pump and what is the amps of circuit and pump ?
bikeindy
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I don't believe here that the code requires a dedicated circuit. but it is a good idea and i always have. you may assume the general purpose receptacle will operate a radio or cover sump pump and I think it would be acceptable for the motor and the general rec to be on one circuit.
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680.22 A3 is for a permanent pool.
Wouldn't an above ground pool mean temporary?
Good idea for a dedicated circuit but not required.
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Wouldn't an above ground pool mean temporary?
Good idea for a dedicated circuit but not required.
Go get your red tag back before anyone sees it.
There is no requirement for dedicated circuits here. 680.22 has the purpose IMO of providing distance requirements for the receptacles, which is 10 ft for both, but 5 ft for the pump if all conditions are met. The reason Dwelling units get the other general purpose outlet between 10 and 20 feet IMO is so extension cords are not used for radios and other utilization equipment that would then be a hazard. I would see an above ground pool as permanently installed also. The intent here IMO is to not require a receptacle for an inflatable or other smaller pop-up pool that has no filter and will be moved before the grass all dies. Most above ground pools are installed to last their useful life, so for all intensive purposes they are permanently installed pools. IMO.
bikeindy
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jes25 said:
Is the motor precluded from being on that same general purpose branch circuit? IMO no. but I don't personally do that.
jwelectric
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Using the 2002 cycle of the NEC for a storable pool (less than 42 inches in depth) we use parts I and III unless the pool is installed indoors. Part ONLY applies to storable pools installed indoors and those with a depth of more than 42 inches.
Part III (Storable Pools) and the receptacle that it uses shall be:
680.31 Pumps.
A cord-connected pool filter pump shall incorporate an approved system of double insulation or its equivalent and shall be provided with means for grounding only the internal and nonaccessible non?current-carrying metal parts of the appliance.
The means for grounding shall be an equipment grounding conductor run with the power-supply conductors in the flexible cord that is properly terminated in a grounding-type attachment plug having a fixed grounding contact member.
680.32 Ground-Fault Circuit Interrupters Required.
All electrical equipment, including power-supply cords, used with storable pools shall be protected by ground-fault circuit interrupters.
There is no rule that mandates a general purpose receptacle to be installed at or near a storable pool. The rule that you posted ?680.22(A) (3)? is for permanently installed pools and is as follows:
(3) Dwelling Unit(s). Where a permanently installed pool is installed at a dwelling unit(s), no fewer than one 125-volt 15- or 20-ampere receptacle on a general-purpose branch circuit shall be located not less than 3.0 m (10 ft) from and not more than 6.0 m (20 ft) from the inside wall of the pool. This receptacle shall be located not more than 2.0 m (6 ft 6 in.) above the floor, platform, or grade level serving the pool.
Unless this pool has more than 42 inches of water there is no requirement for a general purpose receptacle to be installed. Unless the installation instructions mandate that the pump is on an individual circuit the pool could be plugged into any receptacle.
Part III (Storable Pools) and the receptacle that it uses shall be:
680.31 Pumps.
A cord-connected pool filter pump shall incorporate an approved system of double insulation or its equivalent and shall be provided with means for grounding only the internal and nonaccessible non?current-carrying metal parts of the appliance.
The means for grounding shall be an equipment grounding conductor run with the power-supply conductors in the flexible cord that is properly terminated in a grounding-type attachment plug having a fixed grounding contact member.
680.32 Ground-Fault Circuit Interrupters Required.
All electrical equipment, including power-supply cords, used with storable pools shall be protected by ground-fault circuit interrupters.
There is no rule that mandates a general purpose receptacle to be installed at or near a storable pool. The rule that you posted ?680.22(A) (3)? is for permanently installed pools and is as follows:
(3) Dwelling Unit(s). Where a permanently installed pool is installed at a dwelling unit(s), no fewer than one 125-volt 15- or 20-ampere receptacle on a general-purpose branch circuit shall be located not less than 3.0 m (10 ft) from and not more than 6.0 m (20 ft) from the inside wall of the pool. This receptacle shall be located not more than 2.0 m (6 ft 6 in.) above the floor, platform, or grade level serving the pool.
Unless this pool has more than 42 inches of water there is no requirement for a general purpose receptacle to be installed. Unless the installation instructions mandate that the pump is on an individual circuit the pool could be plugged into any receptacle.
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