Above ground pools.

[Cavie]

We are having a differance of opinion in the office as to when a pool is storeable or perminent. ART #680 states that a pool is permenent when partially in the ground or when it is capible of holding water more than 42" deep. The lead man says that if an above ground pool is "Listed" to be partially in the ground, it still remains an above ground storable pool not subject to Equipotential bonding or bonding of the pool walls or motor.

I and others say that it is a perminent pool and does require a bonding grid And the walls need bonding. This pool in question also has a aluminium cage built on top of the wooden deck that needs bonding. the pump is 100' away from the pool.

680.26 (B) (4) states that the EB must also be run to the double insulated pump for future pump replacement. The EB must be connected to the Grounding circuit of the pump reciptical.

Am I reading this correctly???

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Cavie, just going by the wording in the NEC I would have to disagree with you. If it doesn't meet the definition then it is not permanent.

 

[76nemo]

We are having a differance of opinion in the office as to when a pool is storeable or perminent. ART #680 states that a pool is permenent when partially in the ground or when it is capible of holding water more than 42" deep. The lead man says that if an above ground pool is "Listed" to be partially in the ground, it still remains an above ground storable pool not subject to Equipotential bonding or bonding of the pool walls or motor.

I and others say that it is a perminent pool and does require a bonding grid And the walls need bonding. This pool in question also has a aluminium cage built on top of the wooden deck that needs bonding. the pump is 100' away from the pool.

680.26 (B) (4) states that the EB must also be run to the double insulated pump for future pump replacement. The EB must be connected to the Grounding circuit of the pump reciptical.

Am I reading this correctly???

Our local says anything over 36" is semi-permanent and needs a 48" fence and a gate alarm. Semi-permanent??????? What, 'cause we don't take it down at the end of the day?

 

[Cavie]

680.2 definitions.

Permanently Installed Swimming, Wading, and therapeutic Pools
those that are constructed in the ground or partially in the ground, and all others capable of holding water in a depth greater than 1.0 (42 in.) and all pools installed inside of a building, regardless of water depth, weather or not served by electrical circuits of any nature.

The pool is question is capable of holding water greater than 42 in. It is installed partially in the ground as the deck is only 3' high.

No mention is made of weather or not it is storeable or listed.

Storable swimming or wading pool. Those that are constructed on or above ground and are capable of holding water to a maximum depth of 1.0 (42 in.), or a pool with nonmateallic, molded polymetric walls of inflatable fabric walls regardless of dimentions.

 

[dlhoule]

Our local says anything over 36" is semi-permanent and needs a 48" fence and a gate alarm. Semi-permanent??????? What, 'cause we don't take it down at the end of the day?

Wouldn't that make it semi-temporary?:grin:

Cavie, I don't see anyway the pool you are referring to can be anything other than permanent as far as the NEC is concerned. In reality in ground or above ground, no pool is permanent.:smile:

 

[BryanMD]

Wouldn't that make it semi-temporary?:grin: Cavie, I don't see anyway the pool you are referring to can be anything other than permanent as far as the NEC is concerned. In reality in ground or above ground, no pool is permanent.:smile:

No code basis to substantiate this but my personal opinion is that if the otherwise 'temporary' is not actually freestanding and collapseable each season as intended it just became permanent. Examples of this are when the HO constructs a deck *around* the thing.