Above ground pools
- Thread starter Petez
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Re: Above ground pools
look at NEC 680.26 it tells you what has to be bonded.
look at NEC 680.26 it tells you what has to be bonded.
bill addiss
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Re: Above ground pools
Petez,
Your best bet is to ask your local AHJ/Inspectors what they want to see specifically in terms of what, where and how many points they want bonded.
Bill
Petez,
Your best bet is to ask your local AHJ/Inspectors what they want to see specifically in terms of what, where and how many points they want bonded.
Bill
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
Re: Above ground pools
Unfortunately you will not likely get an answer that is in agreement with the NEC on this.
jwelectric
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- North Carolina
Re: Above ground pools
How Deep?
bill addiss
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Re: Above ground pools
Why not?
speedypetey
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- Hudson Valley, NY
Re: Above ground pools
It's an above ground pool. Even if it is 6" in the ground it is still an above the ground pool.
This is why most pools are 54" now days.
Petez, the actual interpretation for a bolted frame pool, as most are, is one spot on the metallic bolted frame. Is this what you are asking?
Obviously you still have to hit the motor, heater, etc., with the #8.
[ April 15, 2005, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: speedypetey ]
I don't understand the question.
It's an above ground pool. Even if it is 6" in the ground it is still an above the ground pool.
This is why most pools are 54" now days.
Petez, the actual interpretation for a bolted frame pool, as most are, is one spot on the metallic bolted frame. Is this what you are asking?
Obviously you still have to hit the motor, heater, etc., with the #8.
[ April 15, 2005, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: speedypetey ]
jwelectric
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Re: Above ground pools
680.2 Permanently Installed Swimming, Wading, and Therapeutic Pools. Those that are constructed in the ground or partially in the ground, and all others capable of holding water in a depth greater than 1.0 m (42 in.), and all pools installed inside of a building, regardless of water depth, whether or not served by electrical circuits of any nature.
If this pool is more than 42 inches deep at the maximum water level then it must comply with parts I and II. It is a Permanently Installed Swimming Pool
680.2 Permanently Installed Swimming, Wading, and Therapeutic Pools. Those that are constructed in the ground or partially in the ground, and all others capable of holding water in a depth greater than 1.0 m (42 in.), and all pools installed inside of a building, regardless of water depth, whether or not served by electrical circuits of any nature.
If this pool is more than 42 inches deep at the maximum water level then it must comply with parts I and II. It is a Permanently Installed Swimming Pool
electricmanscott
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Re: Above ground pools
I beleive if you follow the NEC in the average instance you would bond the motor, and other metal parts to gether with the pool itself. If the pool itself is metal and the parts are all bolted together you are required to extend the bondng jumper to the pool at one point. In my experience inspectors like to have you run the bonding jumper around the pool and attach to it at multiple locations.
bill addiss
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Re: Above ground pools
Scott,
Ahh, yes. I see what you mean now. Our Inspectors liked to see every second or third upright bonded all the way around the pool. I don't see where the NEC states that one point is ok so I never argued the point.
I wouldn't want to bet on the integrity of all connections on some of the pools out there. I'll bet that is what the Inspectors are thinking too, and was my reasion for suggesting he ask the Inspectors what they wanted to see. As far as I'm concerned it's their call.
Scott,
Ahh, yes. I see what you mean now. Our Inspectors liked to see every second or third upright bonded all the way around the pool. I don't see where the NEC states that one point is ok so I never argued the point.
I wouldn't want to bet on the integrity of all connections on some of the pools out there. I'll bet that is what the Inspectors are thinking too, and was my reasion for suggesting he ask the Inspectors what they wanted to see. As far as I'm concerned it's their call.
brianandshawng
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Re: Above ground pools
SAME QUESTIONS HERE........ I HAD AN INSPECTOR (MICHIGAN) COME OUT AND ACTUALLY TELL ME THAT I DIDN'T NEED THE SOLID #8 BOND ON THE ABOVE GROUND POOL FRAME (120V/GFI/SINGLE RECEP) - I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY HE SAID THAT. I HAD GONE THROUGH 680.26(B)1 AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE IS IF THE FRAME IS EFFECTIVELY INSULATED BY AN ENCAPSULATING NONCONDUCTIVE COMPOUND AT THE TIME OF MANUFACTURING....(I STILL AM CHECKING ON THIS POSSIBLE ANSWER WITH THE MANUFACTURER) WOULD THIS BE THE POSSIBLE REASON?? THE ONLY OTHER REASON I CAN THINK OF IS THAT I DID NOT NEED TO BOND THE DOUBLE INSULATED WATER PUMP MOTOR FRAME EITHER DUE TO 680.24(4) BUT I STILL HAVE A #8 SOLID BOND THAT I'M NOT USING... I INSTALLED THIS ON MY BROTHERS POOL AND WANT TO ENSURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE (BEACAUSE THAT JUST SEEMS LOGICAL)...... WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??
SAME QUESTIONS HERE........ I HAD AN INSPECTOR (MICHIGAN) COME OUT AND ACTUALLY TELL ME THAT I DIDN'T NEED THE SOLID #8 BOND ON THE ABOVE GROUND POOL FRAME (120V/GFI/SINGLE RECEP) - I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY HE SAID THAT. I HAD GONE THROUGH 680.26(B)1 AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE IS IF THE FRAME IS EFFECTIVELY INSULATED BY AN ENCAPSULATING NONCONDUCTIVE COMPOUND AT THE TIME OF MANUFACTURING....(I STILL AM CHECKING ON THIS POSSIBLE ANSWER WITH THE MANUFACTURER) WOULD THIS BE THE POSSIBLE REASON?? THE ONLY OTHER REASON I CAN THINK OF IS THAT I DID NOT NEED TO BOND THE DOUBLE INSULATED WATER PUMP MOTOR FRAME EITHER DUE TO 680.24(4) BUT I STILL HAVE A #8 SOLID BOND THAT I'M NOT USING... I INSTALLED THIS ON MY BROTHERS POOL AND WANT TO ENSURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE (BEACAUSE THAT JUST SEEMS LOGICAL)...... WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??
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Re: Above ground pools
Please turn off the ALL CAPS feature. It makes the post more difficult to read. It is also considered impolite, as though you were SHOUTING at us.
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