adding disconnect to service conductors with group disconnects

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mjmike

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We have a project where there is an existing pump house building with set of 3/0 CU 480V 3-phase service conductors that enter a trough in a building from the meter outside (overhead service drop). In the trough, the 3/0 are then tapped to 3 enclosed circuit breakers. The tap conductors are sized for the enclosed breaker and not the 3/0. This all seems acceptable as the tap rules don't apply to service conductors. The loads are basically 2 large motors and then a small transformer for house loads. We have been asked to design for a new underground power feed and a new outside service disconnect then reconnect the trough and existing 3/0 and demo the overhead.

First, can the new disconnect outside be non-fused? If we fuse it, we plan to make it 200A to match the rating of the existing conductors but owner prefers to not have fuses. It is then my interpretation that by adding the disconnect, either fused or non-fused, the 3/0 in the trough now becomes a feeder and the tap rules now apply for the enclosed breakers. However the conductors are less than 10' so as long as the taps are rated for the enclosed breaker there should not be an issue. Next, if we fuse the new disconnect, I believe the code allows the fuse size to be larger than the conductor rating due to the motor load, correct?
 

lielec11

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If the proposed 200A switch isn't fused I don't believe it counts as a service switch since there is no overcurrent protection. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Next, if we fuse the new disconnect, I believe the code allows the fuse size to be larger than the conductor rating due to the motor load, correct?

I believe since you're under 800A you're allowed to go to the next size OCPD up. But if I'm not mistaken 3/0 is good for 200A. (NEC 240.4(B))
 
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mjmike

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I believe since you're under 800A you're allowed to go to the next size OCPD up. But if I'm not mistaken 3/0 is good for 200A. (NEC 240.4(B))

If applying 230.90 for the fuse, with motor load, the max fuse size would be 225A even thought the 3/0 at 200A is appropriate for the combined motor and house loads.
 
My first comment would be to question why the added cost and complexity of changing to a single exterior disconnect? Don't forget you would need to unbond the three current service disconnects and move your grounding electrode conductor(s) to the new disconnect.

A service disconnecting means must have overcurrent protection integral or "immediately adjacent to." You can't install a disconnect in service conductors and elect to not call it a service disconnect - it becomes your service disconnect and you then must have the overcurrent protection adjacent to it.
 

mjmike

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My first comment would be to question why the added cost and complexity of changing to a single exterior disconnect? Don't forget you would need to unbond the three current service disconnects and move your grounding electrode conductor(s) to the new disconnect.

Good question, Owner wants single service disconnect to be able to de-energize the wireway. Correct on the unbonding.
 
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