I hold an administrators license for Alaska which is unassigned. Occasionally I get calls from EC's who need an administrator for a short term. Can anyone tell me what the going rate for a license assignment is? Should it be based on a percentage of the cost of the job, or on a day, week or monthly rate? Thanx in advance for any insight.
Administrators License $$$?
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It depends on what you think it is worth. I would either do a percentage or maybe a 40 hour week. There are alot of retired guys who lease out theres. I lease(not really a "lease" I am employed by the company) mine out right now to a guy who is just starting out. We started out at 500 a month, now we are going to 50 per permit(about 10 a week). I think it is cheap, but it is a good friend of mine, plus I am getting other perks. As he progresses, I will raise my rates to 40 hours a week, formans pay.
[ July 20, 2004, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: chrsb ]
It depends on what you think it is worth. I would either do a percentage or maybe a 40 hour week. There are alot of retired guys who lease out theres. I lease(not really a "lease" I am employed by the company) mine out right now to a guy who is just starting out. We started out at 500 a month, now we are going to 50 per permit(about 10 a week). I think it is cheap, but it is a good friend of mine, plus I am getting other perks. As he progresses, I will raise my rates to 40 hours a week, formans pay.
[ July 20, 2004, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: chrsb ]
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Re: Administrators License $$$?
I hope that this will not come across as too strong. But this comes close to touching upon a topic for which I hold strong feelings. If I am not correct in my understanding of the intent of the question, then please forgive what would then be an inappropriate answer. But here is my perspective on my topic of concern (which may or may not be the same topic that the original poster intended to express).
I hold an ?unassigned? (if I am using that term in the same context) Electrical Administrator?s License in Washington State. It is not for sale, nor even for lease. And nor, for that matter, is my PE license for sale or lease. If someone wants to hire me to do work, and is willing to pay a fair rate for my services, then I am open to discussions.
But I have heard of PEs who have no more involvement in a project than to seal the document when someone else has done all the work, and to collect a fee for applying the seal. I view that as unprofessional, unlawful, and distasteful behavior. If ever I knew, as a moral certainty, that a fellow professional engineer had sold his or her license in this manner, I would report the facts to the licensing authority. I would fully expect the license to be revoked, and the offender to be fined.
But here is a different set of circumstances.
If I were to be asked to allow an electrical contractor to make use of my Administrator license, and if I were to agree, then I would believe myself to be bound by law and by professional ethics to perform the actions that my Administrator license requires of me. I would hold myself responsible for the safe performance of the construction work. I would hold myself responsible for ensuring that the work is designed and installed in accordance with all applicable codes. I would be there on site, for some appropriate portion of the time that the electrical personnel are doing their jobs. In other words, I would earn my fee not by virtue of having the Administrator?s license, but rather by virtue of being the Electrical Administrator.
I fear that the wording of the original question has led me to wonder if the original poster has the same view of the nature of the license. If you do, then I again apologize for venting in what appears to be your direction. If you agree with my perspective, then please allow that I was merely venting, but not in your direction.
But to anyone who reads this, please be advised: Don?t ever tell me that you are merely charging a fee for someone else to use your license, and that you have no interest or involvement in the work itself. For if you tell me this, or if I come across evidence that this is happening, I will turn you in.
I hope that this will not come across as too strong. But this comes close to touching upon a topic for which I hold strong feelings. If I am not correct in my understanding of the intent of the question, then please forgive what would then be an inappropriate answer. But here is my perspective on my topic of concern (which may or may not be the same topic that the original poster intended to express).
I hold an ?unassigned? (if I am using that term in the same context) Electrical Administrator?s License in Washington State. It is not for sale, nor even for lease. And nor, for that matter, is my PE license for sale or lease. If someone wants to hire me to do work, and is willing to pay a fair rate for my services, then I am open to discussions.
But I have heard of PEs who have no more involvement in a project than to seal the document when someone else has done all the work, and to collect a fee for applying the seal. I view that as unprofessional, unlawful, and distasteful behavior. If ever I knew, as a moral certainty, that a fellow professional engineer had sold his or her license in this manner, I would report the facts to the licensing authority. I would fully expect the license to be revoked, and the offender to be fined.
But here is a different set of circumstances.
If I were to be asked to allow an electrical contractor to make use of my Administrator license, and if I were to agree, then I would believe myself to be bound by law and by professional ethics to perform the actions that my Administrator license requires of me. I would hold myself responsible for the safe performance of the construction work. I would hold myself responsible for ensuring that the work is designed and installed in accordance with all applicable codes. I would be there on site, for some appropriate portion of the time that the electrical personnel are doing their jobs. In other words, I would earn my fee not by virtue of having the Administrator?s license, but rather by virtue of being the Electrical Administrator.
I fear that the wording of the original question has led me to wonder if the original poster has the same view of the nature of the license. If you do, then I again apologize for venting in what appears to be your direction. If you agree with my perspective, then please allow that I was merely venting, but not in your direction.
But to anyone who reads this, please be advised: Don?t ever tell me that you are merely charging a fee for someone else to use your license, and that you have no interest or involvement in the work itself. For if you tell me this, or if I come across evidence that this is happening, I will turn you in.
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In response to Charlie B. I agree with you in regards to the obligations of an administrator. I am merely trying to determine what is the going rate. Should it be a function of the number of hours I spend on the jobsite, a day (week,month)rate, or percentage of the job. Assigning my licesne to an EC for a short term requires me to submit paperwork to the state, and leaves the license tied up while the paperwork is processed until the assignment is released. In addition the hours spent on a small job may not reflect the cost of bonding and time spent on the paperwork.
In response to Charlie B. I agree with you in regards to the obligations of an administrator. I am merely trying to determine what is the going rate. Should it be a function of the number of hours I spend on the jobsite, a day (week,month)rate, or percentage of the job. Assigning my licesne to an EC for a short term requires me to submit paperwork to the state, and leaves the license tied up while the paperwork is processed until the assignment is released. In addition the hours spent on a small job may not reflect the cost of bonding and time spent on the paperwork.
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I agree on being involved in the work, I look at every job and am basicly the boss of the company. Here in Michigan, we dont have to have a master on the job, thats what the journeymen are for. There must be a diffrence in Administrarors and Masters license. In Michigan each company has to have a Master, then on every job there has to be a journeyman. The masters job is to check that everything is done to code but not be present on every job.
I agree on being involved in the work, I look at every job and am basicly the boss of the company. Here in Michigan, we dont have to have a master on the job, thats what the journeymen are for. There must be a diffrence in Administrarors and Masters license. In Michigan each company has to have a Master, then on every job there has to be a journeyman. The masters job is to check that everything is done to code but not be present on every job.
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In Washington State, a ?Master? is a combination license that includes both the Journeyman and the Administrator. Obtaining an Administrator?s License requires passing a test on code, on safety, and on state administrative rules. But it does not require any working experience as an electrician. I am an engineer, not an electrician, so I will never be able to convert my Administrator?s License into a Master?s License.
bphgravity
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Re: Administrators License $$$?
Just some food for thought. In the state of Florida, persons whom "lease" their license to others have about the most frequent disicplinary actions taken against them.
Some of these violations are:
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My mentor and good friend Tom Henry told me once that, "if ever you plan on leasing your license to another person, make sure you charge at least as much as the lawyer is going charge when your sued or arrested."
Just some food for thought. In the state of Florida, persons whom "lease" their license to others have about the most frequent disicplinary actions taken against them.
Some of these violations are:
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- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">knowingly filing a false report
failure to perform any statutory or legal obligation
making decpetive, untrue, or fradulent representations
delegating or contracting for the performance of professional responsibilities by a person when the licensee delegating or contracting knows, or has reason to know, such person is not qualified</font>
My mentor and good friend Tom Henry told me once that, "if ever you plan on leasing your license to another person, make sure you charge at least as much as the lawyer is going charge when your sued or arrested."
stew
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In the state of wash it is illegal to park your licence. You must be a full time employee per the WAC. I ahevbeen asked 3 0r 4 times to do so with my masters/administrators and have turned these individuals in all 4 times and have gotten feedback 3 of the 4 times from the state with an attaboy and thank you.
[ July 20, 2004, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: stew ]
In the state of wash it is illegal to park your licence. You must be a full time employee per the WAC. I ahevbeen asked 3 0r 4 times to do so with my masters/administrators and have turned these individuals in all 4 times and have gotten feedback 3 of the 4 times from the state with an attaboy and thank you.
[ July 20, 2004, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: stew ]
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