AFCI/GFCI breakers

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brother said:
I know cutlehammer makes the combo afci/gfci breakers, but i was curious as to how much they COST?? does anyone have any idea, ive been to website with no success.
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I just found it online for about $73.00
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Sure but you can do an internet search also-- http://www.circuitbreakerservice.com/Cutler-Hammer/search.html
2nd one down on the left --CH120AFGF is the model for a cutler hammer 1pole 20 amp Afci/gfci unit
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FWIW, that is not a combo type ... it is a branch circuit type AF with 5mA GF. I don't see on the Eaton website a combo WITH 5mA GF. They do have, in the CH series, 6 in the current brochure afci_comp_guide.pdf created 2007.11.06. They also show 2 in the BR series, BR115CAF66C1141G01BR 1? FIREGUARD COMBINATION TYPE AFCI 1 Pole 15 Amp, 10kAIC being the 15A version.

This 2005 code requirement which is in effect Jan 2008 for combination type still seems to confuse many ... combination type detects PARALLEL arc faults and SERIES arc faults; older versions were PARALLEL only (and some would say that it didn't do a very reliable job at those<g>.

George, not an electrician, but we're seeing some industrial control panels specified with the combi types on PLC outputs ... I think this is to help diagnose, not for safety.
 
GeorgeB said:
FWIW, that is not a combo type ...
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I did not think the OP was asking for a combo afci. He said a combo afci/gfci. This breaker is both an arc fault and a GFCI breaker. A combo arc fault is a different animal altogether.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I did not think the OP was asking for a combo afci. He said a combo afci/gfci. This breaker is both an arc fault and a GFCI breaker. A combo arc fault is a different animal altogether.
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I read it again and think you are right. So, where, after January 2008, would you use that? Won't the combo AFCI features, if they are REALLY available, be required in most installations?
 
the manufactures lobbied for the new codes requiring these breakers but cannot provide them why do we need to follow them if the manufacturer can not follow through..
 
cschmid said:
the manufactures lobbied for the new codes requiring these breakers but cannot provide them why do we need to follow them if the manufacturer can not follow through..
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I am not sure the op is talking about the combo arc faults. The ones I thought he was asking about are not the ones required by the NEC
 
I tried to find the combo gfci and afci but to no avail that means i have to have two separate devices..So at first sign of trouble the gfci will be gone by HO and now there is no protection..it costs more in labor dollars and is pain in a-- ..I think the gfci rule is effective but they cannot even provide accurate and unbias information on afci and the the way they work the 5ma portion is what works so shy the extra hoopla for what??I think if you need a gfci you should not need afci in same location..I am frustrated I had inspector fail a rough in and his reasoning was that the outlets in the bedroom need to have both afci and gfci because there were couple with in 6 ft of whirlpool tub..even when it was separated by door.. so I had to add the gfci and make him come back to get it to pass..It was BS but he is the inspector and you need to please or he makes your life miserable..
 
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