mxlplx00
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- Location
- Watsonville, California
- Occupation
- Electrician
Hello,
I'm confused. 210.12(A) has 6 options of which only (1) make any since to me but never mind that for now.
So 210.12(A)(1) wants a Combination AFCI breakers for all of the 15 and 20 branch circuits. And 210.8 wants GFIC protection on countertops, dishwasher (I assume the garbage disposal kind of goes along in this) and the fridge if within 6 feet.
So AFCI's detect parallel faults and Combination AFCI detect parallel and series faults. I have a kitchen remodel that I'm doing and it seems like they don't make Combination AFCI/GFIC breakers (Murry). Before I really started thinking about this I was going to install AFCI/GFIC breakers but I guess that this is nor correct. So would the proper application be to install Combination AFCI breakers for all the kitchen 20 & 15 branch circuits and then also install GFIC receptacles on the first box in the countertop, Garbage/Dishwasher and refrigerator?
This seems a little extreme. Assuming your answer is going to be yes. LOL. I spend $45 each for 3 countertop, 2 small appliance and a lighting for AFCI breakers and then another $20 each on GFIC receptacles for 3 countertop, and 2 small appliance? That's $270 for breakers and $100 in GFIC's.
Questions:
What do they do if the GFIC behind the fridge trips? Will the garbage disposal cause nuisance tripping of the AFCI?. The oven exhaust fan is on the fridge circuit and is very old, surely worn brushes on this thing will trip the AFCI.
Also in your practical experience, is there any commonly allowed leeway on this? I mean AFCI/GFIC all around sounds fine to me. And for the garbage disposal and exhaust fan I could put them on dedicated or together on a circuit but that seems like a big waste for wire and space in the panel.
I guess I should call the city and see what they want. I'd hate to spend $400 on breakers that I can't return and have to buy them again.
Thanks
Marc
I'm confused. 210.12(A) has 6 options of which only (1) make any since to me but never mind that for now.
So 210.12(A)(1) wants a Combination AFCI breakers for all of the 15 and 20 branch circuits. And 210.8 wants GFIC protection on countertops, dishwasher (I assume the garbage disposal kind of goes along in this) and the fridge if within 6 feet.
So AFCI's detect parallel faults and Combination AFCI detect parallel and series faults. I have a kitchen remodel that I'm doing and it seems like they don't make Combination AFCI/GFIC breakers (Murry). Before I really started thinking about this I was going to install AFCI/GFIC breakers but I guess that this is nor correct. So would the proper application be to install Combination AFCI breakers for all the kitchen 20 & 15 branch circuits and then also install GFIC receptacles on the first box in the countertop, Garbage/Dishwasher and refrigerator?
This seems a little extreme. Assuming your answer is going to be yes. LOL. I spend $45 each for 3 countertop, 2 small appliance and a lighting for AFCI breakers and then another $20 each on GFIC receptacles for 3 countertop, and 2 small appliance? That's $270 for breakers and $100 in GFIC's.
Questions:
What do they do if the GFIC behind the fridge trips? Will the garbage disposal cause nuisance tripping of the AFCI?. The oven exhaust fan is on the fridge circuit and is very old, surely worn brushes on this thing will trip the AFCI.
Also in your practical experience, is there any commonly allowed leeway on this? I mean AFCI/GFIC all around sounds fine to me. And for the garbage disposal and exhaust fan I could put them on dedicated or together on a circuit but that seems like a big waste for wire and space in the panel.
I guess I should call the city and see what they want. I'd hate to spend $400 on breakers that I can't return and have to buy them again.
Thanks
Marc