ambiguous arc flash sticker

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megloff11x

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We're making some equipment that will be 480 & lots of current. The actual arc flash hazard depends mostly on the available bolted current at the facility - which we have no control over and getting numbers is as pulling teeth in some locales.

What's the best way to label the machinery?

1. Generic arc flash warning but no PPE or distance info given.
2. Arc flash sticker with blanks for the customer to fill in with above info.
3. Above with values for infinite current calculation, and let the customer replace this with his own sticker showing values for his facility.

If you do a worst case infinite bus calculation, you may require spacesuits where none are needed.

The onus may be on those installing & owning the equipment to fill in the blanks, but I'd like to be sure that there is something for a warning label to start with in case they forget.

A second question, does someone publish a checklist of sorts telling you what warning stickers are needed where and what they should look like? When I did CE compliance, there were some fairly clear & well documented guidelines. Previous places mandated enough stickers to make the machines resemble a Nascar driver's suit & car - to the point where you were overwhelmed and distracted.

Matt
 

ron

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Matt,
When there is lots of bolted fault current, it generally results in the overcurrent protective device to act faster and results in less arc flash incident energy. The IEEE 1584 equations are very dependent on OCPD clearing time.
Provide the generic label as required by the NEC and let someone with local information provide calculated values as required by NFPA 70E. No sticker is required for calculated values.
 

petersonra

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Location
Northern illinois
Occupation
engineer
I vote for a generic sticker. It satisfies the requirements without making you liable for information you don't have and that changes over time.
 

zog

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Location
Charlotte, NC
I 3rd the motion of generic stickers, unless of course they are paying you to conduct an arc flash study.

Sticker guidlines are in ANSI Z535
 
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bthielen

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4th vote. We only provide the generic sticker to satisfy the NEC. From there it is our customer's responsibility.

Bob
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
5th vote for generics.

Codes change and you don not want to be responsible (liable) in anyway for a sticker that has too much info on it.

Who is going to run around and change all those stickers as codes change, anyway?
 

dbaird

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Location
Dayton, OH
Per NFPA70:409.110

"An industrial control panel shall be marked marked with the following information that is plainly visible after installation:
(3) Short-circuit current rating of the industrial control panel based on one of the following:"[QUOTE/]
(see attached)

Additionally, I would include a lock-out warning label.
(see attached)
 

bphgravity

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Location
Florida
A good sign would be:

ARC-FLASH DANGER!!

OPENING THIS EQUIPMENT WHILE ENERGIZED WILL KILL YOU!! (insert picture)

250px-Nuclear_fireball.jpg
 

dlhoule

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Location
Michigan
bphgravity said:
A good sign would be:

ARC-FLASH DANGER!!

OPENING THIS EQUIPMENT WHILE ENERGIZED WILL KILL YOU!! (insert picture)

250px-Nuclear_fireball.jpg

I like it! I do think only the 1st line along with Authorized Personel Only would suffice.
 
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