An Effective Ground-Fault Current Path?

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Article 250.4(A)(5) of the NEC requires the equipment grounding conductor that is run with the circuit conductors to be an effective, low-impedance path for fault current “to facilitate the operation of an overcurrent protective device” when a fault occurs on a circuit. If the available fault current at an outlet is less than the threshold current required to trigger the magnetic response of the breaker protecting the outlet, the magnetic trip in the breaker will not activate on a short-circuit or ground-fault, and the requirements of 250.4(A)(5) will not be met even when an equipment-grounding-conductor is installed in full compliance with all other requirements of Article 250.

Test data recently gathered from short-circuit tests conducted at 120-volt receptacle outlets in residences indicates that more than half of all circuit breakers installed to protect 120-volt outlets on 15 and 20-ampere branch circuits DO NOT provide an instantaneous response to a short-circuit at an outlet on the circuit. The chart below summarizes the results of over 1000 residential receptacle outlets in various parts of the country whose breakers have been tested for their short-circuit response. The breaker response test is all cases is a bolted short-circuit conducted at receptacle outlets on a 15 or 20-amp branch circuits by a field test instrument known as the CBA-1000 Circuit Breaker Analyzer. The CBA-1000 has been certified to conduct this test. More information is available at . . . {MODERATOR'S NOTE: I removed the link to their web site, to avoid the appearanceof advertising. If you wish more information, contact the originator by Private Message, or do an independent on-line search.}

TOTAL NUMBER OF SHORT-CIRCUIT TESTS IN SAMPLE: 1017

THERMAL RESPONSES (SLOWER THAN 1-CYCLE) 57% 579
MAGNETIC RESPONSES (1-CYCLE OR FASTER) 43% 438

If the intent of 250.4(A)(5) is to trigger the magnetic response of a circuit breaker, an equipment-grounding-conductor installed in full compliance with article 250 will not meet the requirement of 250.4(A)(5) at any outlet where the magnetic response current threshold setting of the circuit breaker protecting the branch circuit exceeds the available fault current at the outlet.

Proposal 10-55 to the 2008 NEC is the first of two proposals whose combined intent is to ensure that all outlets on 120/240-volt branch circuits are protected by an effective instantaneous breaker response. The first proposal, #10-55 for 2008, clarifies expectations for the NEC user regarding the response of dwelling unit branch circuit breakers to short-circuits or ground-faults by standardizing the threshold current for the magnetic trip in circuit breakers at 11 times the handle-rating of the breaker and magnetic response clearing times at 1-cycle.

A subsequent proposal to Article 210 in the 2011 NEC will require that the voltage drop at the furthest outlet of a 120-volt branch circuit not exceed 9%, ensuring that the available fault current at the furthest outlet of a branch circuit will be sufficient to trigger the magnetic response of a breaker that meets the requirements of proposal 10-55.

If accepted, these two requirements will establish an impedance-based limitation on the length of a branch circuit of a given size that will ensure that all outlets are protected from short-circuits or ground-faults by an effective instantaneous circuit breaker response that will clear in 1-cycle.
 
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You have the same location as K. O. Instruments. Is your opening post a sales speech or are you asking a question?
 
Neither. The post is an explanation of a code proposal that I have made, #10-55, in the hope that this forum might provide some constructive feedback on the merits of the proposal. The test instrument is referred to only to substantiate how the test data was obtained.

My location is the same as KO Instruments because I am the inventor of the CBA-1000; however, the code proposal is a separate effort that has grown out of my experience with circuit breakers as a practicing electrician that spawned the development of the CBA-1000. Since the test results corroborrate the need for the changes offered, they are included.
 
I believe this is something better aimed toward the UL.

Proposal 10-55 said:
This proposal is not
intended to have any impact on the requirements for AFCI, GFCI or HACR
circuit breakers, which are listed separately from standard circuit breakers.

This statement in the substantiation of your proposal is confusing, as all circuit breakers I install in a dwelling unit are HACR, and if CMP-2 has it's way, all 15A & 20A circuits in a dwelling will be AFCI protected.

As for your future 9% proposal, I believe it will be an enforcability nightmare. To counter that, you'd likely need a body count to bolster your case. I'd recommend you research and see if any fires started due to voltage drop.

JMO. :)
 
I think you should remove the commercial from your post regardless of the devices part in your findings.

Roger
 
Your study is interesting.

Now where is the evidence that there is a problem?

Do you have evidence that fires or injuries are being caused by this less than instant response of the breaker?

In appears you want to use the NEC as a marketing tool for your invention and you will not find much support for that approach here.
 
Bob,
I don't see this a marketing tool for the breaker tester. It appears as a result of using his tool, Paul has found that there is a problem with the trip times on high current faults. This problem arises from the fact that there is no requirement for a breaker to have a set response to a short circuit. I don't think that there is even a requirement that a breaker have a magnetic trip element (instantaneous). I believe that all of the standard breakers do have a magnetic element to detect high current faults, but the trip point ranges from 8 times the breaker rating to 40 times the breaker rating for breakers from the various manufactures. In some cases there is not enough current available to cause an instantaneous trip on a short circuit or ground fault because the breaker needs to see 40 times its rating. The proposed rule would require the maximum setting of the magnetic trip at 11 times the breaker rating. This setting would clear faults quicker and may prevent fires. It would be a no cost change for the manufactures. Some may say that the AFCI rule precludes the need for this change, but an AFCI does not respond to a bolted type fault any differently than does a standard breaker. If this would pass, the standard breaker part of the AFCI would also have to have the 11x trip point.
Don
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
I don't see this a marketing tool for the breaker tester. It appears as a result of using his tool, Paul has found that there is a problem with the trip times on high current faults.

Evening Don, I admit I may be mistaken however if these proposals where to pass what would be the tool most suited for an inspector to check for compliance?

JMO.

This problem arises from the fact that there is no requirement for a breaker to have a set response to a short circuit.

I am aware of that, I have talked about it before here particularly with Ryan. I would support a proposal to put some reasonable perimeters on 250.4(A)(5).

But before any of these changes where made it would be good to know if the changes are actually needed.

The above testing shows about a 50% failure rate in my mind that would suggest if there was a 'real' problem that many more electrical fires would be happening.
 
Bob,
Evening Don, I admit I may be mistaken however if these proposals where to pass what would be the tool most suited for an inspector to check for compliance?
There would be no tool required to test the breaker...you would just look at the label like you do to check the amp rating or the AIC rating.
Don
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Bob,

There would be no tool required to test the breaker...you would just look at the label like you do to check the amp rating or the AIC rating.
Don

You lost me Don, it sounds to me like the proposal would add a performance requirement.

A subsequent proposal to Article 210 in the 2011 NEC will require that the voltage drop at the furthest outlet of a 120-volt branch circuit not exceed 9%, ensuring that the available fault current at the furthest outlet of a branch circuit will be sufficient to trigger the magnetic response of a breaker that meets the requirements of proposal 10-55.
 
The study shows that over half the breakers didn't trip in less than one cycle. Is that a big deal? I mean, what if they trip in two cycles? I still that would be safe. When you think about the fact that a device must clear in less than 1/2 cycle to be considered current limitting, a trip in 2 cycles seems plenty adeqaute under most conditions.
 
Bob,
I missed the other proposal, but that proposal does not even exist at this time. I have exchanged a large number of e-mails with Paul on the subject of his proposal and never even once did it apprear to me that he was using the proposal to sell his product, unlike the major breaker manufacturers have done with the AFCI.
Don
 
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I received a PM from the OP, asking why his thread has disappeared. I know that I had edited his original post to remove the link to the testing device manufacturer. But I do not recall having moved the thread here myself.

Can anyone shed any light on the decision to remove the tread?
 
I did not move the thread, I was interested in where it was going.

If no one objects why not return it to the open forum?
 
Thanks for returning it. :cool:

1 second is 60 cycles, correct? What's wrong with one second? Or four? It's for protection of equipment, not personnel...?

I guess I'm saying, I agree with Ryan's sentiment.
 
George,
What's wrong with one second? Or four? It's for protection of equipment, ...
With high current faults 1 second is a very long time. Based on damage to insulated condutors, a #12 can carry 3787 amps for 1/2 cycle, 2678 for 1 cycle, 688 for 6 cycles and 308 for 30 cycles without damage to the insulation. The trip time is very important to prevent damage to the conductors. The above currents were taken from this document.
Don
 
iwire said:
Your study is interesting.
Do you have evidence that fires or injuries are being caused by this less than instant response of the breaker?
Bob,
Data from the NFPA attributes ~40,000 housefires per year to short-circuits or ground-faults that "a circuit breaker failed to prevent" (NFPA Home Product Report).

But the more important issue to me is that so little independent research has been conducted into the cause and origin of electrical fire that the whole issue is still not clearly understood. However, the few studies that do exist clearly show that fault-level overcurrent is capable of quickly causing ignition of nearby combustibles in laboratory tests.

So in the face of continued uncertainty, what reason is there not to clear a short-circuit or ground-fault as quickly as possible? This is just common sense.

Paul
 
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iwire said:
I would support a proposal to put some reasonable perimeters on 250.4(A)(5).
Bob,
The issue with 250.4(A)(5) is that even when an equipment grounding conductor is installed in perfect compliance with article 250, we have no assurance that its requirement will be met unless we know what to expect from the circuit breaker. So this proposal is intended to clarify what we can expect from a circuit breaker in response to a short-circuit or a ground-fault on a branch circuit.

The subsequent proposal for 2011 will then provide assurance that all outlets on a circuit will have sufficient available fault current to trigger the magnetic response standardized by this proposal. George commented earlier that this requirement would be an enforcement nightmare. I don't think so. It would simply give an inspector grounds to fail an outlet with >9% VD because any outlet with >9%VD would have insufficient power available for the EGC to comply with 250.4(A)(5) at that outlet.

I have heard many concerns expressed here and on other forums about the length of branch circuits (and the resulting voltage drop at outlets) in some of the large homes being wired today. The underlying problem that I hear with these concerns is that we lack sufficient information with which to make an sound decision. These two proposals will fully address this problem.

Paul
 
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