Another service change.

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This one kicked my butt today. Original house built in the late 50's had 5 120V circuits and a 3 phase disconect for the chiller type AC's that were prevalent back then.

Over the years it had been added onto, including a bunch of new circuits about 4 years ago. HORRIBLE work by a reputable builder. Notice the cooktop SE and the 12 NM's jammed thu the condulet and all the neutrals/grounds slipped under the same lug.

Bad pics because of the partial shade, but.......

Before. All added NM is sleeved/LB'd up into the gable end.

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It probably took me an hour and a half just to demo all this crap.

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Nice neutral/ground mess.

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I was able to get all the romex down inside the block. No bond beam :grin:
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Not done but done enough to get clearance and get them powered up again. My help gave me crap about too much sheath. I told him to go away.:cool: Something told me to leave it on crossing the top.


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I'll wrap it up tomorrow and let you find all the violations. I have come to accept that I cannot complete a job like this without violations.

Examples:

Pool equipment ground had been cut/spliced in the deleted timer box. 80' of !/2" RMC about 20 years old, underground. There is ZERO percent chance of pulling new conductors. Do you/I put the splice back or tell HO he must spend a couple/few thousand dollars to run new conduit/conductors to the pool equipment 80' underground and about 15' of R&R cool deck.

Also, I replaced the timer box with a WP JB and the ground screw wouldn't tighten (typical) so I self tapped it.
 
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Is that ?" EMT in the left of the first pix?

Galvanized as pipe. They relocated the gas meter and the piping is ugly!


I can't tell, is there some fitting where all the NM enters the panel or is it just a KO taken out to it's largest size??

You want to handle this one Peter? :rolleyes: It's a snap in bushing. ;)


Who's gonna paint that wall?

A painter?
 
Were you going to put that Cable Demack ground wire now ? :grin:

I really like that combo-setup!
 
oh, and nice work, you always do nice clean work...even though you take alot of bs!

I agree. He takes a beating but he keeps on posting!:smile:

Looks real good, there's something to be said about being able to pull all that crap off the wall and clean it up with a single can. Nice.:cool:
 
oh, and nice work

Thanks. I think the panel is still around $120.

I use it because of the copper bus. We have a lot of problems with arcing AC breakers here. I have never seen typical AC arcing on a copper bus.

The bad news is that it has one of those latches at the bottom that can be a pain because you have to lift the door up and into position. The Cutler Hammer BR panels have a more simple latch. The BR's also have larger ground/neutral lugs. #4's barely fit in the Seimans.

One other area of extremely poor design is at the service conductor lugs. In this pic you can see that they use a #10 screw to attach the bus to the meter socket.

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It's ALMOST a great design. You can pull out the bars that the lugs are bolted (firmly) to and flip them over for an underground to overhead conversion. The problem is that this is a really poor method of connecting the bus components. Those screws into the soft bus do not get tight enough. I can't in good conscience leave them. I am forced to remanufacture their product in order to make it safe are reliable. I don't have an after pic but I replace the self tapped black screws with nuts/bolts.
 
Looks real good, there's something to be said about being able to pull all that crap off the wall and clean it up with a single can. Nice.:cool:


Sure does! And not even a single joint either. :cool: Come on, Larry, say it........you know you wanna :wink:
 
Nice Work 220. I had one like that a couple months ago with the three phase. Was the drop still 3 phase?

I think I know where you buy your panels. Are you in Tucson?


Brian (Tucson)
 
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