anti shorts revisited?

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I just did a search for anti short bushings and the thread that was most relevant was closed. I hope I'm not opening any wounds by asking another question about them.

I went through the dance with an insector today about the use of them with MC cable. We used roto splits and connectors with bushings. He said he wanted anti shorts, I said give me a code article and he referred me to this:

http://www.nema.org/redirect/redirectFile.cfm?ID=10418&user=187548&filename=/RV1.pdf

It is a document about the proper termination of AC and MC. On page 23 of the document it shows that the proper termination of an MC cable must include a completely squared off edge (there is an illustration but I didn't know how to post just that). His take on it was that he was not requiring the use of an anti short on MC but was letting you get away with an improperly terminated cable if you did use them. He said that if we stripped the cables to the NEMA standard we would not have to use anti shorts. Given the exacting standard set out by NEMA it would be virtually impossible to strip the cable as they set out and have it take less than 5 minutes per strip.

He was reasonable in that since this was the first time we worked in their jurisdiction he would let it go but wanted to warn me that was what was required by his company. FWIW this was an inspector for a private company that works in many different jurisdictions throughout the state.

Just wondering if anyone else has run into this interpretation.
 
I have seen that link and pointed it out to the inspector who was already familiar with it. Again his point was that it is fine not to use the red heads if the cable is terminated properly.

I had to sign into the site to get access to the document so that may explain why it won't open. I will try to find a way to get it posted.
 
Well unless that document is included with the listing of MC (And I am sure it is not) there is no reason you must follow it.
 
I can't figure out how to get a good link being a half step away from computer illiterate. I think that it must be protected and NEMA wants to keep track of their copyrighted material.

In the long run this is not a big deal as the situation I'm in is settled, I just like to know what I'm talking about. Bob, is it your contention that unless that document comes with the cable itself it does not need to be followed?
 
I agree with Bob.

Unless this standard is part of the manufactures installation instructions, you would not need to use it.

NEMA has lots of standards for installations. For example NECA/NACMA 120-2006 is a standard for the installation of MC and AC cables. This standard is a guideline to good work pratices for the installation of MC and AC cable, but not code.

Chris
 
I can get a bag of anti- short bushings ( yeah I know they are not required for mc) and a good night sleep from my wholesaler for about a buck and a half. Just sayin.
 
mac,

I agree and I'll probably just go ahead and install them from this point forward, I just don't like inspectors who have the "because I said so" attitude.

It is kind of odd because when I moved from CT we always used BX when we could so I always installed the redheads. When I moved here everyone was using MC all of the time and told me to stop wasting my time them. It looks like things have come full circle.

So I guess the new question is does NEMA have any validity in terms of installation, or are they just a guide for a workmanlike installation?

Patrick
 
Ever since we discussed the squaring issue of MC cable in that thread, I have been doing that. I use dykes to trim off that sharp edge that's left when using a roto-split.

Thats how I have always trimmed my MC cables. I never liked that small sharp corner leftover when you use a roto split.

Chris
 
So I guess the new question is does NEMA have any validity in terms of installation, or are they just a guide for a workmanlike installation?

The NEMA standards are just guides to what might be considered a "neat and workmanlike" installations.

There are a few FPN's in the NEC that recomend certain NEMA standards as a means of identifying what would be neat and workmanlike, but FPN's are not enforcable.

Chris
 
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