Apartment complex grounding/bonding

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Ragin Cajun

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Let?s see if I can explain this correctly.

Background: I am designing the electrical for a multi-building apartment complex. Each building has three floors and eight apartments per floor. However, since the building is sprinkled and there is a fire wall down the middle, I can serve it from both ends. This certainly saves very long runs to the far apartments if I had to have only one service point.

On one end where I have one of the services, there also is the fire sprinkler riser. No problem. Bond the riser to that service.

At each of the two service locations I plan to have a ground rod triad. The service near the fire riser I will bond to the riser.

Since each service location has more than six meters, I plan to have a 12 multi-meter arrangement with a main breaker on each end and a 60A fused disconnect for the house panel on one end. Note, since these are 125A meters and individual apartment main breakers, six meter/breaker combo?s will fit in a section, thus, one main section and two feeder sections. Serving the house panel separately makes $ense and saves a third feeder section.

At this point I have no idea where the water meters will be for each apartment, I will likely not know where ahead of time. They may or may not be near my electric service. Depends on what the water department does/wants. In order to tie to each apartment water line I plan on running a grounding electrode conductor from the panel inside the apartment to the nearest water line in the apartment. I just don?t see any other way of doing it.

Should I also make a tie to the fire line at each apartment as well?


Any comments?


Thanks.
 
In order to tie to each apartment water line I plan on running a grounding electrode conductor from the panel inside the apartment to the nearest water line in the apartment. I just don’t see any other way of doing it.

Should I also make a tie to the fire line at each apartment as well?
In order to answer the question, we would need to know if you can make use of 250.104(A)(2). You need to ascertain (or decide) the details of the water service, and plumbing.

  • Metallic entrance, metallic throughout: Connect each service to the water pipe per 250.50 and you're done
  • Non-metallic entrance, metallic throughout: Connect each service to the water pipe per 250.104(A)(1) and you're done
  • Metallic in each unit, seperated by non-metallic: You may be able to connect each to the local panelboard per .104(A)(2).

At each of the two service locations I plan to have a ground rod triad.
Why? :)

Note, since these are 125A meters and individual apartment main breakers, six meter/breaker combo’s will fit in a section, thus, one main section and two feeder sections. Serving the house panel separately makes $ense and saves a third feeder section.
Can you clarify? I'm not picturing it.
 
georgestolz:


Thanks for the reply.


As for the ground rod triad, around here the AHJ wants at least 2 rods because of the soil. For larger services I tend to be anal about a good "ground."

As for the multi-meter arrangement SquareD can fit 6 meter/mains per vertical section. I have 12 apartments and one house panel. It's a waste to $$$ to force a new section for one meter so here I can use the 6 ckt rule for the house panel. Not that I'm cheap, which I am, but it's smart engineering.

Thanks again.
 
I'm feeling incredibly thick. Where is the meter and disconnect for the house panel? If you have a main disconnect attached to a pair of 6-high meter/disconnect modules, you'd need a 13th meter at one of the services.

Is it getting it's own service?
 
Ragin Cajun said:
georgestolz:
For larger services I tend to be anal about a good "ground."

What difference does it make? Get by with the minimum requirements to satisfy the minimum requirements and move on. Exceeding the minimum requirements does not gain you anything at all.
 
I agree with the last post.
Why not use a CEE per 250.52(A)(3) and then you don't even need ground rods.
Then you will have an excellent ground.
And you can make your bonding connection per 250.104 anywhere accessible
 
Thanks,

tom baker
Yes, there is concrete and rebar on this project. I think I will go that route. I have discussed this with the architect and he will add a note from me on his drawings warning the guys pouring the concrete to get with the electrician before hand (Yah, right) so the electrician can get his stuff attached, etc. "before" they pour.

georgestolz
Regarding the house panel, it would have it's own 60A service beside the main for the 12 apartments. Thus 2 service disconnects.

Appreciate the comments. Something one gets stuck in a rut of doing things and it's good to have input on alternate methods.
 
It might take up less space and be more handy for the EC (might not even be a whole lot more expensive) to go this route:

main disconnect/5-stack/4-stack/4-stack

Less underground work, too. Less bonding among services (since you eliminate one). Less clutter. Less headache getting bays open for running the SER. Less chance of accidentally forgetting the lateral, the event that the dirt work's done earlier than the real installation. Less chance of building department issues.

JMO. :)
 
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