Appliance garage? Now add another circuit!

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Kevin W Holland

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Because owners/designers/architects choose to incorporate an "appliance garage" into their kitchen design for a "cleaner... less cluttered?" look now they have to supply ANother circuit as the receptacles inside the appliance garage (a 'cabinet or cupboard'??) of which the "small appliance circuits" were precisely to supply power to...but!...just because they now have their own hiding place, still 'on the counter'? you must not supply them with the (2) small appliance circuits?!?!?! When does it end!?!?!? Hence... 6 foot fences and attack dogs.
 
What specifically in that section requires another circuit as you stated in the OP?

"now they have to supply ANother circuit as the receptacles inside the appliance garage"?
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Yes you can supply a receptacle inside an appliance garage with a SABC. But you can't count it as one of the required outlets. In other words, if there is an outlet 1.5 feet left of the appliance garage and another one 1.5 feet to the right, you will need another one close to the garage, in order to meet the "not more than 2 feet" requirement.
 
infinity said:
What specifically in that section requires another circuit as you stated in the OP?
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210.52(3) says that the receptacles in the appliance garage are separate from the receptacles covered by 210.52(C)(1). And so 210.52(B)(2) precludes the 2 SABCs from supplying the appliance garage receptacles.

Cheers, Wayne
 
charlie b said:
Yes you can supply a receptacle inside an appliance garage with a SABC. But you can't count it as one of the required outlets. In other words, if there is an outlet 1.5 feet left of the appliance garage and another one 1.5 feet to the right, you will need another one close to the garage, in order to meet the "not more than 2 feet" requirement.
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I must disagree. It's a point not more than two feet from a receptacle. They can be up to four feet apart. The garage does not divide the counter into separate parts.

While receptacles within the garage can not count toward serving the counter, those outside can still be up to four feet apart from each other, two from a disruption.
 
LarryFine said:
I must disagree. While receptacles within the garage can not count toward serving the counter, those outside can still be up to four feet apart. The garage does not divide the counter into separate parts.
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It's unclear to me if we are talking about an appliance garage that extends to the front of the counter, or one with some counter space in front of it. And in the latter case, whether 210.52(C)(1) covers the counter in front of the appliance garage.

If it does, and if in Charlie's example we assume the appliance garage is over 1' wide, then the receptacle spacing outside the garage would be more than 4' apart. Which I think was Charlie's point.

This interpretation would also mean that if you have an appliance garage with counter space in front of it, and it's over 4' wide, then you must install a receptacle in the "face" of the appliance garage.

Cheers, Wayne
 
wwhitney said:
If it does, and if in Charlie's example we assume the appliance garage is over 1' wide, then the receptacle spacing outside the garage would be more than 4' apart.
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If you ignore the width of the garage, the receptacles outside of it could still be four feet apart. I am not suggesting placing them two feet from each side of the garage.

Now, if you were to add a new garage that encloses an existing receptacle, then a new one is likely to be required to be added to one or both sides of the new garage.
 
LarryFine said:
If you ignore the width of the garage, the receptacles outside of it would still be four feet apart. I am not suggesting placing them two feet from each side of the garage.
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You've lost me. Consider this example:

From left to right, 3' of 24" deep counter, 3' of appliance garage, and 3' of 24" deep counter. I put wall receptacles in the middle of each of the 3' sections of full depth counter. Those receptacles are 6' apart horizontally.

If the appliance garage has no counter space in front of it (it's a full 24" deep, maybe not so useful, although maybe it has doors on the sides), all is good. But if the appliance garage is say 12" deep with 12" of counter in front, as far as I can see that area is still a wall countertop that needs to be covered by 210.52(C)(1). Now the two wall receptacles already mentioned are insufficient, so you need more wall receptacles, which may not be inside the appliance garage.

Cheers, Wayne
 
wwhitney said:
From left to right, 3' of 24" deep counter, 3' of appliance garage, and 3' of 24" deep counter. I put wall receptacles in the middle of each of the 3' sections of full depth counter. Those receptacles are 6' apart horizontally.
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I would say that those two external receptacles are too far apart. As I said above, you should ignore the width of the garage and place those two receptacles no more than four feet apart.

But if the appliance garage is say 12" deep with 12" of counter in front, as far as I can see that area is still a wall countertop that needs to be covered by 210.52(C)(1). Now the two wall receptacles already mentioned are insufficient, so you need more wall receptacles, which may not be inside the appliance garage.
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Absolutely agree. What needs to be added for a typical kitchen appliance garage depends on whether we're discussing new construction with one or adding one to an existing kitchen.
 
LarryFine said:
I would say that those two external receptacles are too far apart. As I said above, you should ignore the width of the garage and place those two receptacles no more than four feet apart.
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I agree if there's counterspace in front of the appliance garage. If the appliance garage is the full depth of the counter, there's no counter space there to serve, and we can look at the two counter segments on each side of the garage separately.

So in Charlie's example, in which there's a receptacle 1.5' from the left side of the garage, and 1.5' from the right side of the garage, he's correct you need at least one more receptacle as long as you assume the garage is more than 1' wide.

Cheers, Wayne
 
wwhitney said:
So in Charlie's example, in which there's a receptacle 1.5' from the left side of the garage, and 1.5' from the right side of the garage, he's correct you need at least one more receptacle as long as you assume the garage is more than 1' wide.
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Yes, as you put it, I agree. If the garage was known about ahead of time, then it was laid out poorly.

If it was not, the existing spacing will continue to suffice . . . unless it encloses an existing receptacle.
 
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