appliance use only

[a.wayne3@verizon.net]

Local AHJ (pasco county florida) has an addendum to 2002 code.Any non GFCI protected receptacles in a garage must be labeled with a permanant label that says "appliance use only".I asked the chief inspector why ??? He told me that this would stop homeowners from plugging extension cords into lets say a sprinkler receptacle or a freezer receptacle So now in addition to labeling a/c`s , a/h/u`s,we now have to label receptacles. Also addendums now state that all exterior receptacles will have an in use cover even those in damp locations under a covered area(I can see the call backs on this one)The biggest one is a mechanical code change that requires all rooms to have a cross over vent from one room to the next.This is making it really difficult to comply with 3 ft from vent rules for smoke detectors.and still stay within 10 ft of the door.Was wondering if anyone has encountered anything simular in other areas...What next ????
Maybe no switches within 6 ft. of a toilet !!!!

 

[iwire]

Re: appliance use only

Originally posted by a.wayne3@verizon.net:
Any non GFCI protected receptacles in a garage must be labeled with a permanant label that says "appliance use only".I asked the chief inspector why ??? He told me that this would stop homeowners from plugging extension cords into lets say a sprinkler receptacle or a freezer receptacle

Oh yeah, that will stop them from using that outlet. :roll:

So now in addition to labeling a/c`s , a/h/u`s,we now have to label receptacles.

What kind of labels are you talking about here, it sounds like you have some unusual codes.

 

[tomspark]

Re: appliance use only

Florida repealed ALL local ordinances in March 2002 and only recognizes the NEC. Any additional requirements have to be submitted and approved by the State Electrical Board. Unless your local authority has gotten approval for such an ambiguous rule, then you have recourse with an appeal. If a bunch of local addendums (addendi?) have been legally added, it certainly defeats the aim of statewide uniformity and consistancy which was the reason for the repeals in the first place. I have no problem with additions for safety reasons, but they should be researched thoroughly and enacted statewide with a reasonable notification period so all local ahj's and contractors can be made aware. In my humble opinion....

 

[drtymex]

Re: appliance use only

Hey IWIRE the coding in question a stands for a/c=air condition

 

[drtymex]

Re: appliance use only

Hey IWIRE the coding inquestion stands for :
a/c =air condition or air compressor
a/h/u=air handler unit

 

[roger]

Re: appliance use only

Drtymex, I don't think you're getting the jest of Iwire's post.

Roger

 

[lrollo]

Re: appliance use only

Maybe we can put a camera on all "appliance only labeled outlets" hooked to an alarm center with an auto dialer which dials the idiots who made this recomendation and tells him someone is plugging an extension cord in the outlet. Maybe there should be a scale set in the floor so only appliances with bulk will trigger the weight sensitive swith to activate the outlet. Someone will surely figure out how to stand on the trigger though to make the cord work. I think the requirement is ridiculous and I dont see how they can enforce the outlets as being used for appliances only.

 

[tonyi]

Re: appliance use only

Originally posted by lrollo:
I dont see how they can enforce the outlets as being used for appliances only. Then all the appliance places would complain about having to sell Pasco-only stuff

 

[electricmanscott]

Re: appliance use only

He told me that this would stop homeowners from plugging extension cords into lets say a sprinkler receptacle or a freezer receptacle

Uh yeah ok :roll: It never stops me.

 

[tim]

Re: appliance use only

A homeowner will do anything they want once they move into thier new home. Inspector made me put a bullseye recept. for the sump pump in a furnace room or eles make the duplex recept. gfi. He said that way a service man would not use it. He didn't care about the recept. right outside the door in the family room. I think we sometimes get way to carried away with trying to protect the general public.

 

[big john]

Re: appliance use only

Unless there was an appliance that was included in the purchase of the house and was plugged into that dedicated receptacle [washer/fridge/sump-pump/etc.], I would assume that the homeowners would not comply with the "appliance use only" label and they would use it as a convenience receptacle, so I would GFCI protect the receptacle.

-John

 

[tshephard]

Re: appliance use only

I retro-fit a lot of homes with a non gfi outlet for freezer/refrig situations in garage.
My inspectors expect marking or blocked by appliance.
So I sharpie freez/frig on plate or I put outlet directly behind existing appliance.
I use single outlets, they seem to like that.

 

[a.wayne3@verizon.net]

Re: appliance use only

Yes we could argue the point till the cows came home,but that would put 100`s of final inspections
on hold !!!!As far as type of label they accept labels that are made with metallic tape from a label maker.The appliance use only thing really got me.whats the point ???? Once moved in homeowners do as they please.

 

[iwire]

Re: appliance use only

Originally posted by a.wayne3@verizon.net:
So now in addition to labeling a/c`s , a/h/u`s,

I guess I should have phrased my question more carefully, I think only Roger knew what I was asking.

And I really was not wondering if the labels where by sharpies, P-Touch or Phenolic.

I just want to know what are you labeling in regards to ACs & AHUs, the disconnects, the outlets, where is this label going?

Bob

 

[a.wayne3@verizon.net]

Re: appliance use only

both are labeled units and disconnects

 

[iwire]

Re: appliance use only

Thank You.

 

[a.wayne3@verizon.net]

Re: appliance use only

Bob your welcome,I just find it a waste of time these are single dedicated circuits we are talking about.Freezers irr. recp. etc.Since these are single receptacles they dont have to be gfi`d
what is the label going to do ?????

 

[ty]

Re: appliance use only

Originally posted by a.wayne3@verizon.net:
Yes we could argue the point till the cows came home,but that would put 100`s of final inspections
on hold !!!!

Allen, maybe that's exactly what should be done. Your company sounds like a large company that should have some pull with it's G.C.'s.
Get the G.C.'s involved in the battle.
maybe that's what it will take.

 

[a.wayne3@verizon.net]

Re: appliance use only

TY, I do agree wih you.... The problem is that we do mostly tract homes,and the production schedule is so tight(about 120 days from slab to final).
Yes we are a pretty large company about 125 people in the field.This year we should have about 2,000 homes under our belts.These GC`s dont want to rock the boat,and to get them to stand up there is well lets say futile.I`m sure it will get worse :roll: There are so many sub divisions breaking ground that it is hard to drive anywhere with out seeing graders and dozers
opening roads up.The county is scrambling to just keep up with the growth explosion.I still think the whole concept is stupid,like a label will stop a homeowner from plugging anything in anywhere!!!!!I`ll let you know what new and exciting ideas they come up with in the future

 

[ty]

Re: appliance use only

along with lables, how about these for their swimming pool pumps!!

[ November 06, 2003, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: ty ]