trenictrev
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I am checking a design prepared by a colleague, and I would like to understand the application of 125% that is used when summing the loads under NEC. Details are below in blue, and the numbers I am questioning are highlighted in red.
In this calculation, we have included contingencies on the loads based on potential future variation – we have only a conceptual design right now and do not have the exact loads available. My colleague has also considered a 25% additional “loss in transmission” as part of each load, but my feeling is that this 25% loss in transmission is already covered by the 125% factors applied in the 430.24 sum and/or the 215.2a sizing of the conductor.
Basically, I believe we are double-counting the 25% somewhere and creating an overly conservative design. The actual total load is 17.5 A (including contingencies), but we are ending up with a circuit rated at 32 A.
Question Statement: Can I drop the 25% losses in transmission because it is a duplication of either the 125% in the sum or the 125% in the conductor sizing?
(I can sense the push back that this is a small circuit, so who cares, but actually the overall system combines 50 of these similar loads to a total near 1 MW. I would like to optimize at this level so that the upstream systems can be less costly/complicated).
I appreciate your help applying the 25% factors correctly.
The total load is made up from auxiliary power plus two pairs of motors as follows:
Using NEC article 430.24, the total load is as follows:
Based on NEC Article 215.2a, conductor size should be 125% of the load, so minimum conductor rating must be 32 A.
In this calculation, we have included contingencies on the loads based on potential future variation – we have only a conceptual design right now and do not have the exact loads available. My colleague has also considered a 25% additional “loss in transmission” as part of each load, but my feeling is that this 25% loss in transmission is already covered by the 125% factors applied in the 430.24 sum and/or the 215.2a sizing of the conductor.
Basically, I believe we are double-counting the 25% somewhere and creating an overly conservative design. The actual total load is 17.5 A (including contingencies), but we are ending up with a circuit rated at 32 A.
Question Statement: Can I drop the 25% losses in transmission because it is a duplication of either the 125% in the sum or the 125% in the conductor sizing?
(I can sense the push back that this is a small circuit, so who cares, but actually the overall system combines 50 of these similar loads to a total near 1 MW. I would like to optimize at this level so that the upstream systems can be less costly/complicated).
I appreciate your help applying the 25% factors correctly.
The total load is made up from auxiliary power plus two pairs of motors as follows:
- Continuous Auxiliary Power = 6.4 kW
- Adding 20% contingency and 25% losses in transmission = 9.6 kW
- Based on 3-phase 480 VAC and 90% power factor, load current = 12.8 A
- Motor Pair 1 Power = 2.04 kW
- Adding 50% contingency and 25% losses in transmission = 3.8 kW
- Based on 3-phase 480 VAC and 90% power factor, load current = 5.1 A (shared to two motors)
- Motor Pair 2 Power = 1.56 kW
- Adding 50% contingency and 25% losses in transmission = 2.9 kW
- Based on 3-phase 480 VAC and 90% power factor, load current = 3.9 A (shared to two motors)
Using NEC article 430.24, the total load is as follows:
- Total Load = (2.55 A x 125%) + ((2.55 + (2 x 1.95 A)) x 100%) + (12.8 A x 125%) = 25.6 A
Based on NEC Article 215.2a, conductor size should be 125% of the load, so minimum conductor rating must be 32 A.