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mickeyrench said:
Does anyone know if new jersey is inforcing the use of afci breakers ? The code was suppose to change in 2008.


What do you mean by the code was supposed to change in 2008?
 
This change:
2005 NEC said:
210.12(B)(2)
Branch/feeder AFCIs shall be permitted to be used to meet the requirements of 210.12(B) until January 1, 2008
I can't see how?
NJ amended the provisions on that article when the '05 was first accepted :
The New Jersey Department of Community Affairs, Division Of Codes and Standards adopted the 2005 NEC with 20 amendments, effective May 1, 2006. The amendments are as follows:


3. Chapter 2 of the electrical subcode, entitled "Wiring and Protection," is amended as follows:
i. Section 210.12(B) of Article 210, entitled "Branch Circuits," is amended to insert the following sentence at the end of the section, "This requirement shall be considered optional."
http://www.nema.org/stds/fieldreps/codealerts/20060505nj.cfm


If we are talking about the '08, NJ hasn't accepted any of it as of today ~ we are still under the '05.
 
This is my first code change in my own business in Jersey when does the new code get adopted and how will I know thanks
 
Jerseydaze said:
This is my first code change in my own business in Jersey when does the new code get adopted and how will I know thanks



It usually isn't adopted until after March of the year following the new code cycle. In other words that would mean adoption would take place after March 2009. This allows everyone to take the required 10 hour code update classes before the code goes into effect.
 
Does every state operate like this im sure a lot of guys don't realize this . the supply house is already pushing the florescent fixture disconnects which according to you wont be enforced for over a year.
 
Jerseydaze said:
This is my first code change in my own business in Jersey when does the new code get adopted and how will I know thanks


celtic said:
Your CEU's must be completed by March 2009 :)

I think that leaves some of youse - and youse know who youse are - plenty of time to get the CEU's out of the way.

If you check the [State Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors Minutes Page]...seems every code cycle someone gets caught with thier pants down.

When in doubt CALL the Board ~ (973) 504-6410.


I wasn't sure when these had to completed by...so I called :D

From post #17 over here: 2008 NJ CECs
 
infinity said:
This allows everyone to take the required 10 hour code update classes before the code goes into effect.
10 hours?
I thought 34 (10 +24 "electives")were required now???
 
Jerseydaze said:
Does every state operate like this im sure a lot of guys don't realize this . the supply house is already pushing the florescent fixture disconnects which according to you wont be enforced for over a year.

And some cities, and towns in Jersey may not have the codes into law until 2010 it all depends on how long it takes to get it into law.
 
celtic said:
10 hours?
I thought 34 (10 +24 "electives")were required now???

Yup 34 hours, even a doctor only needs 12 hours, guess they think electricians are really thick!

One week of work, and pay down the drain, every 3 years, for years we kept up on code changes without, any laws for CEU's something the NECA pushed what were they thinking, It has just become, a money making scam for all the schools, even our great state of jersey claims it was inacted to create jobs, so nothing new, soon they will issue arm bands, and storm troopers boots. You don't treat every electrican like a dummy, just have the dummies that do not keep up with the laws take the 34 hours.
 
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Jerseydaze said:
Does every state operate like this im sure a lot of guys don't realize this .
Each State operates as they wish...while it is a "National" Electrical Code, it has not been unilaterally accepted as the Code is published...ie, The NFPA released the '08 in Sept (+/-) of 2007...some States accepted it 1/08...NJ will probably accept it in 3/09...others are STILL using '02 and even EARLIER editons....while some States ~ when leaving this task up to individual counties and/or municipalities ~ may have never accepted it.
It can get crazy to say the least.

In this aspect, IMHO, NJ has done a fine job of accepting the NEC as part of the Uniform Construction Code, Electrical Subcode...it makes ALL of the NEC (and the amended portions) the same throughout the State. What I do in Montague is the same as I would do in Cape May - I do not have to be too concerned with one EI saying "Well that ain't how we do it 'round here, son" contrary of another EI in a different locality saying "Good job, see ya later".


You can signup for a "Code Alert" here: http://www.nema.org/emailform.cfm?ID=subscribe-code-alerts&list=1
(from http://www.nema.org/). You will be emailed a notice as the NEC is accepted with a link to the amended portions.

Jerseydaze said:
The supply house is already pushing the florescent fixture disconnects which according to you wont be enforced for over a year.
The supply house is the business of selling :grin: ...the manufac.s are ultimately the ones pushing the supply house :wink: and everyones happy :-? (LOL)
 
satcom said:
And some cities, and towns in Jersey may not have the codes into law until 2010 it all depends on how long it takes to get it into law.
That would be ALL...not some.

Correct?
 
satcom said:
Yup 34 hours, even a doctor only needs 12 hours, guess they think electricians are really thick!

I thought, but wanted confirmation.


Are we all aware you can carry 8 CEU credits from the previous cycle and apply it to the '08?

Woo-hoo! I only have 26 to go....of which 10 MUST be code/law....I spent 10 hours on Mike's site this week ~ that should count for at least 1 CEU credit :grin:


(MY vowels keys seem to be sticking a bit, sorry for any typos)
 
I plan on taking My 24 hours plus my 10 from Stu Reiter in Fairfield its about $515 and the courses are on the weekend so I can work a full 7 days without worrying about enjoying my life. Anyone know if this is a good course or know of a better one up in north jersey.
 
celtic said:
That would be ALL...not some.

Correct?


You're correct. NJ has a state wide adoption. There are no local electrical codes.


And yes, it is 34 hours, but I was speaking about the 10 hours that pertain to the new code changes.
 
infinity said:
You're correct. NJ has a state wide adoption. There are no local electrical codes.


And yes, it is 34 hours, but I was speaking about the 10 hours that pertain to the new code changes.

Actually....there is a 10 hour provision :wink:
A License holder that does NOT hold a business permit (aka, one who does not engage in the business of contracting) can take the 10 hour classes to keep the EC license in "good standings". When that individual elects to become a contractor, they would then be expected to take an additional 24 hours of CEU for that particular code cycle.

:smile:
 
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