This situation was created in an assisted living facility where the drawing call for one to two designated red duplex within dwelling units to be on the emergency panels of the complex. The question arose since the emergency panels do not have any arc-fault breakers. So, is there any restrictions or exceptions where these one or two designated duplex need to be on arc-fault breakers or devices or may they be exempt? Your feedback is appreciated.
Arc-fault circuits on emergency panels?
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rc/retired
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Where the code doesn't specifically state assisted living facility, AFCI protection is required for nursing homes & limited care facilities.
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I don't see any exception for emergency panels.
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Me neither - The only exception are fire and smoke alarm panels feeds . NEC 210.12 (C)
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In a readily accessible location, too 210.12 - For your situation this might be a problem
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What code section is that?
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210.12 (C) 2020 NEC
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Thanks, were still on the 2017 and that is new in the 2020 NEC.
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Yeah, sorry. I have to quit assuming we're all on the 2020.
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It appears the quoted NEC section lists Guest Rooms and Guest Suites for Hotels & Motels. I am referring to Dwelling Units in an Assisted Living complex. FYI.
Good point!
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The 2020 NEC added "and Patient Sleeping Rooms in Nursing Homes and Limited-Care Facilities"
I believe that covers assisted living facilities , also.
What code are you under?
Ron
I believe that covers assisted living facilities , also.
What code are you under?
Ron
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Even if not on 2020, if the unit meets the definition of dwelling unit it would have required AFCI's anyway, unless the receptacles not in a location within the dwelling mentioned in 210.12, bathroom about only location in such a facility that likely wouldn't require AFCI protection or an outdoor receptacle though those may not be too common either would about have to be a deck/balcony for the individual unit only to be considered part of that unit.
Ohio has adopted NEC 2020. Can you list what section in 2020 for the reference, "and Patient Sleeping Rooms in Nursing Homes and Limited-Care Facilities"? Where it refers to arc-fault requirement? Thank you.
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210.12(C)
Look at the shaded area. That's new to the 2020. It also added Guest Suites.
And as kwired pointed out, if the units meet the definition of dwelling units, they're required anyway.
Bottom line, there's no exception for EM panels.
Look at the shaded area. That's new to the 2020. It also added Guest Suites.
And as kwired pointed out, if the units meet the definition of dwelling units, they're required anyway.
Bottom line, there's no exception for EM panels.
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