arc fault requirements for pumps

[catchcurrent]

I had an inspector fail a final inspection today because i have a sump pump on a dedicated circuit located in a finished basement closet. He claims because its in the bedroom it has to be on arcfault. is this wise to do seeing it could cause problems if there was a nuisance trip
i appreciate your speedy reply

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

A bedroom closet is not required to have afci protection.Call him down

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Why not just hardwire it and then argument is over.

 

[tom baker]

Jim W:
How does hardwiring the sump pump change the requirement for AFCI protection?

 

[colosparker]

A bedroom closet is not required to have afci protection.Call him down

Where does it say in the NEC that a bedroom closet does not require AFCI protection?

 

[John Deere Man]

What constitutes a bedroom? In most areas in Colorado a "Bedroom" is defined if it has a clothes closet. So it makes since that the closet is part of the bedroom which would require that the outlets in the closet to be ARC FAULT protected.

 

[rcarroll]

What constitutes a bedroom? In most areas in Colorado a "Bedroom" is defined if it has a clothes closet. So it makes since that the closet is part of the bedroom which would require that the outlets in the closet to be ARC FAULT protected.

Who defines the bedroom? In Fort Collins we would not require the outlets in a closet to be afi protected, however, most electricians wire them that way. Also, I've seen studies/dens with closets. Do you require afi & smoke detectors in them as well?

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

A bedroom closet is not required to have afci protection.Call him down

Where does it say in the NEC that a bedroom closet does not require AFCI protection?

NEC is a permisive code.The question is where did it say a bedroom closet requires afci ? If the reasoning is cause its in the bedroom then you better afci protect that master bathroom too.We had a several page post about this ,and no its a closet not a bedroom untill you put a bed in it.And best put a smoke in it too.I was wrong in thinking direct wire as that applies to gfci.Maybe someone can find the old post and link it here.

 

[George Stolz]

What constitutes a bedroom? In most areas in Colorado a "Bedroom" is defined if it has a clothes closet. So it makes since that the closet is part of the bedroom which would require that the outlets in the closet to be ARC FAULT protected.

Many bathrooms are adjoining bedrooms. Do you AFCI protect the bathrooms too?

How's this for a leap: A dwelling unit has to provide complete and independent living facilities for one or more persons, including permanent provisions for living, sleeping, cooking, and sanitation. Would you say that since cooking is a prerequisite to attaining dwelling unit status, that we must provide a range in every room?

Who defines the bedroom? In Fort Collins we would not require the outlets in a closet to be afi protected, however, most electricians wire them that way.

That's because they've heard what a bloodthirsty lot those Collins boys are. :lol:

Also, I've seen studies/dens with closets. Do you require afi & smoke detectors in them as well?

Ron, that was the subject of a recent debate, whether an electrician can be cited for non-NEC violations. The CIA, for instance, will demand AFCI protection and a smoke for a named "office" on plans, if the office has a closet.

Is that ethical? A majority in the thread stated with exuberance that only the NEC could be levied against electricians. I was in the minority that said that we are life's punching bag.

You two need to fix your profiles, we need to be representing the CO up in here...