Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

[joe tedesco]

Does this rule in the NEC Article 305 or 527 apply to an open air market?

All lamps for general illumination shall be protected from accidental contact or breakage by a suitable fixture or lampholder with a guard.

[ September 06, 2003, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: joe tedesco ]

 

[wayne123]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Joe, the inspectors in my area require us to put a gaurd over all keyless lite fixtures. I use the type that you would find on temporary festoon lighting for construction sites. I believe according to the code that this picture is a code violation and that there should be a gaurd on them.

 

[bennie]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

This is probably an OSHA or Health Department violation.

Accidental breakage, problematic. Intentional breakage, of course.

 

[jerryb]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Some times we need to look at more than just the NEC. I would think that the local health department would have a problem with type of installation also.

 

[charlie]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Ben & Jerry (HMMM)

Why would this be a heath violation? This is an open air market with the unbroken skin/coverings on the fruits and vegetables.

Just look at the picture and you will see a lot more violations than just the open lamps.

 

[bthielen]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

I wonder why they haven't taken advantage of the cables and used them for hanging decorations, signs, or other, yet?

Bob

 

[big john]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Is it just me or does it look like the boxes and those keyless fixtures are completely wrapped in duct tape? And all this time I've been putting $30.00 vapor tight fixtures in locations prone to moisture, and all I really needed to keep water out was a two-buck roll of the West Virginian Power Tool. Nuts.

Using that stuff on porcelain bases lamped with incandescent bulbs... I wonder how flammable duct tape is? :roll:
-John

 

[bennie]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

The line across the top of the picture appears to be just a line for hanging signs or such. It does not appear to be electrical cable. I don't think that is a code violation.

The lamps are made of glass, when filiments burn out sometimes the support wires short together causing the lamp to explode. This glass is a health hazard on any food.

To be practical, there does not appear to be a violation of any code.

 

[charlie]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

The line across the top of the picture appears to be just a line for hanging signs or such. It does not appear to be electrical cable.

I would have bet on that being NM cable and not supported, sorry.

 

[maniacwhiz]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

It DOES look like NM cable to me.

No guard, stripped insulation exposed, no NM clamps installed, wrong type of wire (for indoors only), duct tape/scotch tape, and the blubs must be 200 watts judging by the size of the blub. Anything else I missed?

 

[ryan_618]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Originally posted by maniacwhiz:

... and the blubs must be 200 watts judging by the size of the blub.

I agree with most of your list of violations, but I believe most of those porcelian/plastic fixtures are rated up to 600 watts.

[ September 04, 2003, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]

 

[bennie]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Look at the same picture on the ECN forum.

 

[bthielen]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Bennie,

Is the view in ECN format that different? Looking at this photo I also notice that there is a very similar cable extending from the light on the left to the one farther back. I still stand by it being NM cable. I also agree, the fixtures appear to be wrapped in the "Handyman's Secret Weapon", duct tape.

Bob

 

[Guest]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Joe:
I enjoy your posts and horror photos.

May I suggest that for those with dial-up and just in general that resizing your pictures to say 200 by 200 pixels maximum would make your posts load faster.

I noticed that most of your pics are 640x480 which is H-U-G-E for general posting.

Another idea would be to post a THUMBNAIL picture here with a hyperlink to the FULL-SIZED image.

Just food for thought to smooth out your postings.

Regards,
Wayne

 

[iwire]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

Originally posted by charlie:
Why would this be a heath violation?

Here in MA it is a health code violation to have unprotected / unenclosed lamps over food, as this is most likely in Boston (the Blue wall with the yellow strip looks like a Big Dig barrier) I am surprised that this is not picked up on and construction cages would not meet this code.

You would need a totally enclosed fixture.

But as Joe can tell you this whole market is a electrical / health code mess.

Bob

 

[joe tedesco]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

The images are set by my Webmaster, Dave Nix "Websparky" and we have most included in our Gallery that are thumbnails.

http://www.joetedesco.com/gallery/albums.php

I will ask him how to address the question of slow loading on dialup.

Dialup is a thing of the past for me, and back in 1990, 96 bps was good on Dos on Prodigy when we had the "Secret Society of Elecricians" and although I am not on High Speeds at present, I am comfortable using the wireless 24/7 air card to access the net, and it is fast enough.

I can carry my puter to the park bench, downtown boston, and up on the roof, in the back of a shuttle, and also on the Amtrak and do my thing.

Why I even have it on line during my seminars.

I am from those days when the Flash Gordon was just a dream and when Cracker Jacks would give us a real toy - - the future is here now and the next toy will be a puter with a head band at 640 x 480 viewing through my right eyball!

When will it stop!

Anyway, anyone who wants me to send them the smaller version can let me know, and I will be happy to send the images to you.

All I ask is credit to www.joetedesco.com

I have so many images, that if I were to post one each day I could go for about 50 years!



[ September 04, 2003, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: joe tedesco ]

 

[frenchelectrican]

Re: Are all open lamps supposed to be protected?

the way i am looking at the photo i see the simuair stuation with flea markets too the two common thing they alway get code voilaton one is open lumaire socket aka platic or porican socket with bare bulbs also the second thing is overloading and the other thing i will add on to the list is some fleamarkets dont have any GFCI at all and the other common volitaions is the load centere locked shut cant open to get the breaker to reset or turn off that one of few common thing i really detest.. and what Joe did send the photo and i can see why it is very common no matter where is the flea market or genral area and open bulbs over the food is dangerous if some comuster decided to buy some food and did not see broken glass then how they can deal with it and i know 200 watter bulbs are pretty hot btw... some area i did see not too long ago some one use big 500 watts quatz bulbs and feel hot allready and i know the code required any bare bulbs over the food have to be enclosed it dont matter if indscent or flourescent types ..


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