Arizona, protector 100% of the unlicensed

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Esthy

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Dear forumers, Arizona protect the unlicensed 100%, I blackened some private names, but I letf the public names available.

Beware other states, if this is happening here ... it will happens in your state sooner or later

AND THE STATE OF ARIZONA SOLUTION TO THE BUDGET? ... FIRING INSPECTORS INSTEAD OF ENFORCING THE LAWS THAT WILL BRING MORE REVENUE BY WAYS OF PERMITS, FEES, ETC.

We, contractors and inspectors, MUST create a nationwide organized front to protect us.

Here are some of my personal battle' samples, but I am too small to continue!

ROC: Registrar of Contractors ... ACT: Alliance of Construction Trades
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AV ELECTRIC

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Are they allowed to purchase a permit under there name without a license? I have not been asked from any inspector whether i was licensed or not. I believe all they will provide is an inspection . Who performs the work is not there concern just if the work is installed to there code requirements. Here in California for everyone caught doing illegal contracting there's another 20 to take his place . I think in the end revenue should be directed to the education of the customer they are the ones that contract the work . I do agree a municipality should not promote illegal activities that contradicts the laws on the books.
 
480sparky

480sparky

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Iowegia
Inspectors should not ever need to see if you have a license that allows you to obtain a permit. That is the AHJs responsibility.

'Round here, you can't get a permit unless you're licensed (contractors registration, contractors license, master license, POI, etc). The only time the inspector needs to see a license is to make sure the JW/Apprentice ratio is appropriate.
 
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Esthy

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Yes, they are allow to pull permits. The main problem we have is the Registrar of Contractors that doesn't do their job and combined with the state given permits to anyone.
 
jwjrw

jwjrw

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480sparky said:
Inspectors should not ever need to see if you have a license that allows you to obtain a permit. That is the AHJs responsibility.

'Round here, you can't get a permit unless you're licensed (contractors registration, contractors license, master license, POI, etc). The only time the inspector needs to see a license is to make sure the JW/Apprentice ratio is appropriate.
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Jw/Apprentice ratio? Whats that. Here you are lucky if you even know a journeyman much less see one on a job. Since it isnt enforced most people dont bother taking the test. Of course Im not most people I did get my jw license.
 
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AV ELECTRIC

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Esthy said:
Yes, they are allow to pull permits. The main problem we have is the Registrar of Contractors that doesn't do their job and combined with the state given permits to anyone.
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I believe this is a big problem unlicensed individuals purchasing permits . I guess if you want less government regulation this would be a start but not a good one.
 
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shepelec

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480sparky said:
Inspectors should not ever need to see if you have a license that allows you to obtain a permit. That is the AHJs responsibility.

'Round here, you can't get a permit unless you're licensed (contractors registration, contractors license, master license, POI, etc). The only time the inspector needs to see a license is to make sure the JW/Apprentice ratio is appropriate.
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Where I am from the AHJ is the inspector. If I don't know the contractor or I don't have permit yet, I ask for a license. :grin:
 
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Rewire99

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480sparky said:
Inspectors should not ever need to see if you have a license that allows you to obtain a permit. That is the AHJs responsibility.

'Round here, you can't get a permit unless you're licensed (contractors registration, contractors license, master license, POI, etc). The only time the inspector needs to see a license is to make sure the JW/Apprentice ratio is appropriate.
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What does an inspector have to do with a JW/Apprentice ratio ?, that falls under the Labor Department
 
Sierrasparky

Sierrasparky

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USA
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Electrician ,contractor
Here in calif we have the same issues. The state contractors licence board has told the AHJ of permits and inspections to police the unlicensed activity. Many of the AHJ have taken the position I'm not paid any extra money so go pound sand. Some AHJ take it very seriously and have been met with Bully developers that Use unlicensed workers. The point is There needs to be a difinition of authority and enforcement and whoever becomes the police they need to back-up with their decisions.
 
RJohnsonMasterElectrician

RJohnsonMasterElectrician

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Right now ??, previously VT
Well starting out in VT where I found inspections to be very tough, here in AZ I feel there very lax because so many jobs to be looked at and so few inspectors. The workmanship on the jobs I have been on are very shabby, hell I refuse to pull my wire through there conduit until it meets code "this is even after (Overhead) inspection" I have heard that we are down to three or four state inspectors the main inspector just quite due the the ** he was being given. The state is having inspectors of certain trades inspect other trades work that there not even familiar with.

Inspectors of VT enforce the ratio very strictly with my experience. They can shut the job down if it doesn't meet state requirements.

I'll post a pic not of electrical nature but just the type of work I have been seeing. I am going to assume the hole will never get fixed I was on top of a 8' ladder and just barely saw it.
 
cadpoint

cadpoint

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Durham, NC
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Having read here enough (frankly, I?ve said the same before) and at few other sites, I have a fine belief that things are just a little more loose and to say ?wild west? as to many aspects of life, west of the Mississippi. Frankly there?s a lot to be said for Commonwealth Laws if you don?t know the exact definition of it look Here, I'll go with the #2 definition.

My opinion of your letter(s) is that you didn?t send any CC?s to your state legislators?, let me assume you have a two legislative houses like most other states. Frankly, everyone you addressed has to abide by the statues of your State. Most States have a State Fire Marsh and have a State Insurance Dept (at least covering State Construction matters), or some official body that accepts the NEC and controls the requirements of inspection, and licensing. While you addressed one to the "man", what was their response?

Well what are your Laws, state wide in respect to this matter, what is the requirement of licensing? If your county, city has a has made laws to say that this is Ok; but if a City or County ordnance negates existing State laws then yes, let all the correct authorities know.

Yes your region and state and the publics? welfare might well be in peril.

Get to the correct authorities! Address this matter to the people that make the laws and make then uphold the laws, don?t worry about the law breakers! We all know of that game.

There is a no excuse not to enforce the Laws that are in place. You need to re-address this issue to the laws, just drop your ?self? aspect of your licensing, they can check your authority!

Good Luck!
 
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kbrandt

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arizona
Unlicensed in Arizona-its a joke.

Unlicensed in Arizona-its a joke.

I live in Pinal county (AZ) and have been told by inspectors that they do not have to police unlicensed contractors.

They say as long as the home owner gets the permit it is under the rule of OWNER BUILDER. Then they have an unlicensed contractor do the work. And the inspectors know they are doing this, and even know the unlicensed contractor. They are all over the place here.

Come on-a 75 year old lady doing a electric service upgrade--get real.

What is the rule for inspectors, is it there job to report unlicensed work, I keep getting told NO.

And the state went from $750 to a $1000 on unlicensed jobs, and I got these guys giving out bids and doing jobs way over $1000 and still getting away with it.

I have called the ROC and they do nothing. Even had a guy do his electrical upgrade on a commerical building I bid on and he tried to use my license the inspector knew it was not my work and stopped the job.
I reported him to the ROC and nothing ever happened to him.

Its hard enough to make a living here, I feel my hands are tied and get no help at all. All of the licensed contractors here feel the same way--but still nothing is done.

I think it is only getting worse.

I'll stop now, I could go all day on this subject--but whats the use.
 
RJohnsonMasterElectrician

RJohnsonMasterElectrician

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Right now ??, previously VT
hell I was just told at least in Maricopa county if you do any remodel to your house you must pull a permit($$$$) thats all they want, inspections are a joke majority of people doing the work are jokers. They want there permit fee but dont enforce any rules or regs.
Check the quality of this out, job almost finished when I took the pic.
 
quinn77

quinn77

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Lake Jackson, TX USA
Just recently a friend of mine almost went to jail for not producing his j card for the city inspector, and in a suburb just south of Houston, the inspector carries his badge AND a gun...and will not hesitate to call a squad car to escort you to jail if the violation is large enough.
 
kwired

kwired

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NE Nebraska
you need to know what the laws are and then determine if they are not being followed. By this I mean the laws not only state requirements for permits, contractors etc, but they also most likely state what the inspection/permit/other organizations responsibilites are.

Once you figure out what they are not doing that they are supposed to be doing you can proceed with whatever legal action is necessary. You may have better luck belonging to a contractor association or other similar organization and making this an interest of the organization.

It probably will not be a short fix to the problems but over time things will get better.

Here in Nebraska a homebuilders association is the reason why the state legislature has not passed a bill to adopt the 2008 NEC, in the past they normally pass new code when it comes out without much troubles, this organization was concerned of the cost of all the 2008 changes that affect residential construction and caused uncertainty of wether the 2008 code will ever be adopted.

I do not know all the details of the lack of passing 2008 code but my point is if you get a group with an interest they can get their way if they try hard enough (and spend enough money).
 
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