Article 800 and emergency services radio

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Geber

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I am trying to figure out what parts of Article 800 would apply to small permanent emergency services radio installations, such as VHF tranceivers that output 100 watts of radio energy, or high frequency transceivers that output the same amount. I'm in Vermont and the 2017 code is in force, although the 2020 and 2023 codes seem similar when it comes to radio.

800.1 through 800.182 seem to not apply, because 800.2 defines "Communications Circuit" as "The circuit that extends voice...from the communications utility...." The type of installation I'm thinking of does not involve a communications utility.

810.1 "Scope" states that it "covers antenna systems for radio and television receiving equipment, amateur and citizen bands radio transmitting and receiving equipment, and certain features of transmitter safety." Clearly the parts about amateur and CB do not apply. Arguably, "radio and television receiving equipment" does not apply because the equipment also transmits. One could even argue that 810.70 and 810.71, about transmitters, do not apply because the equipment also receives. An alternate interpretation is that since the equipment both transmits and receives, the receiver requirements and the transmitter requirements both apply.

Of course, paragraphs that technically do not apply could still be used for guidance about good practices.
 

Joethemechanic

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Look here

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Is this a two meter station? Or a repeater?
 

Joethemechanic

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Oh, it's for a gov agency. I did a lot of work for Philly on the 911 system, but only emergency generation. I never got into the RF issues

See if you can find @OldBroadcastTech
 

Geber

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Look here

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Is this a two meter station? Or a repeater?
I have consulted various ARRL resources, including Grounding and Bonding for the Radio Amateur by H Ward Silver. They don't get into the nitty gritty of code interpretation. The installations I'm interested in are not repeaters. Some of the radios use wavelengths near 2 meters, other radios use wavelengths as long as 150 meters.

One thing I should have mentioned is the stations I'm interested in would not be operated during lightning storms. Of course, I've never seen any suggestion that it's OK to have one's hands on anything described in the NEC during a lightning storm, whether it's a television or a washing machine.
 

Geber

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NFPA 1225 is interesting, but in terms of buildings, it seems most of the requirements apply to dispatching centers. It refers back to the NEC and adds some additional requirements. The facilities I'm interested in are only used during drills and incidents; they are not the type of dispatching centers used for 911 or police and fire departments.
 

Geber

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That's about 125 feet tall as a vertical with a ground grid. I had a 160M dipole up that was about 270 feet long. I would imagine you are using a vertical
We mostly use terminated folded dipoles around 90 feet long. The performance at the lowest frequencies is far from ideal, but often usable for regional NVIS communications. The organization I work the most with is Civil Air Patrol, and most of their buildings are at airports. Tall antennas and airports don't go together.
 
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