AV system tied into FA controls

[garebo10]

Do you have to tie in an AV system to FA controls in a public gym? I can't find anything about this.

 

[hillbilly1]

I don’t know if you have to, but I have noticed Wal-Mart is playing music through their fire alarm/strobe speakers now.

 

[gadfly56]

Do you have to tie in an AV system to FA controls in a public gym? I can't find anything about this.

Night clubs have a requirement for a hard shutdown of the sound system on fire alarm activation. I could see a similar requirement for a gym, especially if it is a multi-purpose space, but you'd have to check with your local AHJ.

 

[gadfly56]

I don’t know if you have to, but I have noticed Wal-Mart is playing music through their fire alarm/strobe speakers now.

That is expressly permitted, as long as the system meets certain criteria.

 

[hbiss]

Night clubs have a requirement for a hard shutdown of the sound system on fire alarm activation. I could see a similar requirement for a gym, especially if it is a multi-purpose space, but you'd have to check with your local AHJ.

That's what I was thinking also.

-Hal

 

[zbang]

I wonder how this can work with portable systems; I've never seen an FA connection to an arena (or stadium) traveling show system before. Does it even apply?

 

[gadfly56]

I wonder how this can work with portable systems; I've never seen an FA connection to an arena (or stadium) traveling show system before. Does it even apply?

For portable systems, there would be designated receptacles for the roadies to connect to. Those would be on a contactor that operates off a relay on the FA system. Fire alarm goes off, relay trips, contactor drops out, sound goes off. Also, general lighting comes on full.

 

[garebo10]

I don’t know if you have to, but I have noticed Wal-Mart is playing music through their fire alarm/strobe speakers now.

thank you

 

[garebo10]

That's what I was thinking also.

-Hal

will do thank you!

 

[zbang]

"Portable" is in the eyes of the people moving it .

The systems I'm talking about are on >200a 3-phase feeds, and for stadium shows often supplied by multiple large generators- simply removing power isn't an easy option. To implement such a thing would required getting Mute signals to multiple large systems (e.g. mains, monitors, delay stacks, etc) around the building and interfacing them into multiple mix consoles, processors, amps, on-stage amps, or generator remote EPOs. Not saying it can't be done, just that I've never see such a thing. (More likely it's a verbal call from event safety staff to the stage manager, that's a lot easier.)

 

[garebo10]

For portable systems, there would be designated receptacles for the roadies to connect to. Those would be on a contactor that operates off a relay on the FA system. Fire alarm goes off, relay trips, contactor drops out, sound goes off. Also, general lighting comes on full.

makes sense, will investigate the scene tomorrow and report back!

 

[hillbilly1]

That is expressly permitted, as long as the system meets certain criteria.

I would think so, if Walmart’s lawyers signed off on it. People love suing Walmart, so they are very careful at what they do at the corporate level.

 

[gadfly56]

"Portable" is in the eyes of the people moving it .

The systems I'm talking about are on >200a 3-phase feeds, and for stadium shows often supplied by multiple large generators- simply removing power isn't an easy option. To implement such a thing would required getting Mute signals to multiple large systems (e.g. mains, monitors, delay stacks, etc) around the building and interfacing them into multiple mix consoles, processors, amps, on-stage amps, or generator remote EPOs. Not saying it can't be done, just that I've never see such a thing. (More likely it's a verbal call from event safety staff to the stage manager, that's a lot easier.)

Yeahhhhh, that's a little different. There is a requirement for stadiums over 15,000 to have message boards to annunciate the fire alarm condition, but nothing about shutting down the concert (IBC). The nightclub provision (occupancy A-2) is a NJ amendment, and I think maybe Connecticut and maybe NY and RI?

 

[cabledawg]

I would think for Troubleshooting purposes, Id keep them separate. Thats like bringing messenger wire(OSP) into a building and leaving the messenger wire intact! 1 Lightning strike and your toast.