Bathroom circuit
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goldstar
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Re: Bathroom circuit
210.11 (C)(3)........at least one 20 amp branch circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.
So, if you're only connecting the 20 amp branch circuit to these receptacles then you can connect several bathrooms.
However, 210.11 (C)(3) EX states : Where a 20 amp branch circuit supplies a SINGLE bathroom, outlets for other equipment within the same bathroom shall be permitted to be supplied in accordance with 210.23(A).
If you wire the branch circuit in this manner you cannot jump it to another bathroom.
210.11 (C)(3)........at least one 20 amp branch circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets.
So, if you're only connecting the 20 amp branch circuit to these receptacles then you can connect several bathrooms.
However, 210.11 (C)(3) EX states : Where a 20 amp branch circuit supplies a SINGLE bathroom, outlets for other equipment within the same bathroom shall be permitted to be supplied in accordance with 210.23(A).
If you wire the branch circuit in this manner you cannot jump it to another bathroom.
curt swartz
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Re: Bathroom circuit
Goldstar has the correct answer.
Goldstar has the correct answer.
bonding jumper
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Re: Bathroom circuit
I'm a little confused by this,
"at least one 20 amp branch circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets."
When I read this I interpret this as you are allowed to use the 20A circuit for only the GFI recept, and have to wire the light, exh fan, on a seperate circuit? But you guys are saying that you can wire everything in the bathroom on the same 20A.
I am doing a renovation of an existing condo like townhouse and the revovation includes only the kitchens and the bathrooms, I don't believe that the bathrooms are wired on their own 20A, but I will have to bring the apartments up to existing code when we repair the walls and floors and such so I was planning on running from the existing panel a 20A circuit for each bathroom, there are 2 total. Maybe I could combine them to the same circuit? and does the code allow me to wire the lights, exhaust fan, and single gfci on that 20A circuit. As long as I don't overload the circuit I assume.
Thanks.
I'm a little confused by this,
"at least one 20 amp branch circuit shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s). Such circuits shall have no other outlets."
When I read this I interpret this as you are allowed to use the 20A circuit for only the GFI recept, and have to wire the light, exh fan, on a seperate circuit? But you guys are saying that you can wire everything in the bathroom on the same 20A.
I am doing a renovation of an existing condo like townhouse and the revovation includes only the kitchens and the bathrooms, I don't believe that the bathrooms are wired on their own 20A, but I will have to bring the apartments up to existing code when we repair the walls and floors and such so I was planning on running from the existing panel a 20A circuit for each bathroom, there are 2 total. Maybe I could combine them to the same circuit? and does the code allow me to wire the lights, exhaust fan, and single gfci on that 20A circuit. As long as I don't overload the circuit I assume.
Thanks.
bonding jumper
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Re: Bathroom circuit
Sorry, I just should have read this http://www.mikeholt.com/cgi-bin/codeforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000294
Sorry, I just should have read this http://www.mikeholt.com/cgi-bin/codeforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000294
physis
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Re: Bathroom circuit
I know you can wire either one entire bathroom on one circuit, I can find permission for that in 210.11(C)(3)'s Exeption, or more than one set of bathroom outlet recepticles on one circuit. But in 210.11(C)(3) is it the language "the bathroom recepticle outlet(s)" that allows multiple bathrooms? It not saying "bathroom(s)" I get the feeling I'm forcing the language beyond it's intention.
I know you can wire either one entire bathroom on one circuit, I can find permission for that in 210.11(C)(3)'s Exeption, or more than one set of bathroom outlet recepticles on one circuit. But in 210.11(C)(3) is it the language "the bathroom recepticle outlet(s)" that allows multiple bathrooms? It not saying "bathroom(s)" I get the feeling I'm forcing the language beyond it's intention.
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Re: Bathroom circuit
physis,
There is nothing in the wording that you quoted that limits the outlets to a single bathroom. "Bathroom outlets" does not limit the location to a single bathroom. They are still "bathroom outlets" no matter what bathroom that they are in.
Don
physis,
There is nothing in the wording that you quoted that limits the outlets to a single bathroom. "Bathroom outlets" does not limit the location to a single bathroom. They are still "bathroom outlets" no matter what bathroom that they are in.
Don
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Ok, lets see if I have this correct, is it OK to connect two ( seperate) bathrooms on the same 20 amp circuit. Maybe I am completely misunderstanding 210.11 (c)(3). when I read this it seems to tell me that the branch circuit to the one bathroom shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s)( I would assume these outlets to be located within the one bathroom)such circuits SHALL not have no other outlets. exception saids Where the 20 amp circuit supplies a single bathroom, outlets for other equipment WITHIN the SAME bathroom SHALL be permitted to be supplied in accordance with
210.23(A). SO I ask what is the answer?
Ok, lets see if I have this correct, is it OK to connect two ( seperate) bathrooms on the same 20 amp circuit. Maybe I am completely misunderstanding 210.11 (c)(3). when I read this it seems to tell me that the branch circuit to the one bathroom shall be provided to supply the bathroom receptacle outlet(s)( I would assume these outlets to be located within the one bathroom)such circuits SHALL not have no other outlets. exception saids Where the 20 amp circuit supplies a single bathroom, outlets for other equipment WITHIN the SAME bathroom SHALL be permitted to be supplied in accordance with
210.23(A). SO I ask what is the answer?
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Re: Bathroom circuit
What wording in 210.11(C)(3) limits the circuit to a single bathroom? The only limitation that I see is that the circuit is only permitted to supply bathroom receptacle outlet(s).
If the 20 amp circuit supplies only receptacle outlets, the single 20 amp circuit is permitted to supply all such outlets, in any number of bathrooms. If the circuit supplies outlets other than receptacle outlets, the circuit is only permitted to supply a single bathroom.
Don
What wording in 210.11(C)(3) limits the circuit to a single bathroom? The only limitation that I see is that the circuit is only permitted to supply bathroom receptacle outlet(s).
If the 20 amp circuit supplies only receptacle outlets, the single 20 amp circuit is permitted to supply all such outlets, in any number of bathrooms. If the circuit supplies outlets other than receptacle outlets, the circuit is only permitted to supply a single bathroom.
Don
Re: Bathroom circuit
Well 210.11(c)(3) does say bathroom not BATHROOMS. The exception also states single bathroom. You are correct that it states bathroom receptacle outlet(s)I would think when it is stated "bathroom outlets" I would assume it means (if you have lets say one or more GFCI outlet somewhere within the same bathroom). The exception does state SINGLE bathroom, OUTLETS for other equipment WITHIN the SAME bathroom shall be permitted in accordiance with 210.23 (A), if you look at 210.23(A)exception it states The small apliance,laundry, and bathroom CIRCUITS SHALL supply ONLY the receptacle outlets specified in that section.
Well 210.11(c)(3) does say bathroom not BATHROOMS. The exception also states single bathroom. You are correct that it states bathroom receptacle outlet(s)I would think when it is stated "bathroom outlets" I would assume it means (if you have lets say one or more GFCI outlet somewhere within the same bathroom). The exception does state SINGLE bathroom, OUTLETS for other equipment WITHIN the SAME bathroom shall be permitted in accordiance with 210.23 (A), if you look at 210.23(A)exception it states The small apliance,laundry, and bathroom CIRCUITS SHALL supply ONLY the receptacle outlets specified in that section.
physis
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Re: Bathroom circuit
Rudy, I know from other texts and other electricians that muliple bathrooms are allowed.
Looking at 210.11(C)(3) I don't see it as clearly as Don does but I do see it. Refering to my other post I really do feel like I'm trying to cheat the code doing multiple bathrooms the way it reads.
[ May 07, 2003, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: physis ]
Rudy, I know from other texts and other electricians that muliple bathrooms are allowed.
Looking at 210.11(C)(3) I don't see it as clearly as Don does but I do see it. Refering to my other post I really do feel like I'm trying to cheat the code doing multiple bathrooms the way it reads.
[ May 07, 2003, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: physis ]
bonding jumper
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Re: Bathroom circuit
You have two options
1) Install one 20A circuit for each bathroom, and wire anything in the bathroom to it.
2) Install one 20A circuit and connect as many bathrooms to that circuit as you like, but the circuit is restricted to Outlets. Other equip, luminares, exh. fans, etc are to be on another circuit.
You have two options
1) Install one 20A circuit for each bathroom, and wire anything in the bathroom to it.
2) Install one 20A circuit and connect as many bathrooms to that circuit as you like, but the circuit is restricted to Outlets. Other equip, luminares, exh. fans, etc are to be on another circuit.
goldstar
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Re: Bathroom circuit
By Jove......I think you've got it !!!!!!!
I thought we put this one to bed a long time ago.
Just a funny (side bar) story. I have an electrician friend of mine who used to locate a GFI receptacle at the first bathroom he wired and connect all others on the load side of that GFI.
Although inconvenient, is this wiring method still within the code ? It's cheaper than buying a GFI breaker. Kind of stingy method for wiring a million dollar home.
[ May 07, 2003, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: goldstar ]
By Jove......I think you've got it !!!!!!!
I thought we put this one to bed a long time ago.
Just a funny (side bar) story. I have an electrician friend of mine who used to locate a GFI receptacle at the first bathroom he wired and connect all others on the load side of that GFI.
Although inconvenient, is this wiring method still within the code ? It's cheaper than buying a GFI breaker. Kind of stingy method for wiring a million dollar home.
[ May 07, 2003, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: goldstar ]
jtb
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Re: Bathroom circuit
Yep, you have nailed it. 1 bathroom, 1 circuit, lights and receptacles. 2 or more bathrooms, 1 circuit for receptacles, with lighting, etc. on another circuit.
Yep, you have nailed it. 1 bathroom, 1 circuit, lights and receptacles. 2 or more bathrooms, 1 circuit for receptacles, with lighting, etc. on another circuit.
luke warmwater
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Re: Bathroom circuit
Phil, the company that I worked for in Jersey years ago wired them that way. Even in some million dollar houses near Pompton Lakes. My company puts a minimum of 2 GFCI receptacle circuts in a house. Do you ever work in West Milford? Ty
Phil, the company that I worked for in Jersey years ago wired them that way. Even in some million dollar houses near Pompton Lakes. My company puts a minimum of 2 GFCI receptacle circuts in a house. Do you ever work in West Milford? Ty
physis
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Re: Bathroom circuit
I used to run multiple receptacles from a GFCI but I don't anymore. Mostly because trying to track down a tripped GFCI can be a big problem. It's not convenient for a property owner or an electrician. I've spent some hours more than a couple times trying to find a problem with a circuit only to later find a single tripped GFCI buried behind shelves stacked with christmas decorations or behind a motorcycle and old truck tires. :roll:
I used to run multiple receptacles from a GFCI but I don't anymore. Mostly because trying to track down a tripped GFCI can be a big problem. It's not convenient for a property owner or an electrician. I've spent some hours more than a couple times trying to find a problem with a circuit only to later find a single tripped GFCI buried behind shelves stacked with christmas decorations or behind a motorcycle and old truck tires. :roll:
hurk27
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Re: Bathroom circuit
physis
We run a circuit to the bathroom GFCI's but we hit only the line side of them and install a GFCI in each bath so if one trips the problem is right there. If we install more than one receptacle in a bath then this receptacle comes off the load side but only in the same bathroom as the GFCI is located. I too have run into the samething looking all over for a problem and feeling dumb after finding the GFCI triped. So I will keep any receptacle's loaded off a GFCI within the same room.
physis
We run a circuit to the bathroom GFCI's but we hit only the line side of them and install a GFCI in each bath so if one trips the problem is right there. If we install more than one receptacle in a bath then this receptacle comes off the load side but only in the same bathroom as the GFCI is located. I too have run into the samething looking all over for a problem and feeling dumb after finding the GFCI triped. So I will keep any receptacle's loaded off a GFCI within the same room.
physis
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Hurk, I don't even use them that way in the same room anymore because many people, like older women, just don't get it and they will call you for a tripped GFI. And you got to go over there to check it out just to be a decent guy.
And $8.00 isn't exactly prohibitive. Getting them into the box bothers me more than the cost.
[ May 09, 2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
Hurk, I don't even use them that way in the same room anymore because many people, like older women, just don't get it and they will call you for a tripped GFI. And you got to go over there to check it out just to be a decent guy.
And $8.00 isn't exactly prohibitive. Getting them into the box bothers me more than the cost.
[ May 09, 2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: physis ]
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