Bathroom GFCI Placement 210.52 (d)

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Hi all
Just a clarification question here
on a bathroom sink with a wide edged sink (3 inches wide after the Actual bowl of the sink)
where would the 36" allowed by article 210.52(d) start Bathroom Before.jpg
is it from the Inner edge or Outer Edge?
just happened that this customer changed the location of the toilet and sink after everything was completed and never told us
and we wanna make sure that this wont be a problem

Thanks all
 
Instead of the worry of an electrical item falling into the sink, now you have to worry about it falling into the toilet. :)


Are you saying that the distance reaches the outside of the sink but not the basin itself?


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he1029 said:
where would the 36" allowed by article 210.52(d) start is it from the Inner edge or Outer Edge?
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The words in 210.52 that most apply are "within 3' of the outside edge of each basin", where I take "basin" to mean the recess designed to hold water. Not the countertop that the basin is in.

Another way that I think of it is the closest vertical line tangential to the water inside the water-filled-basin.
 
I'm still trying figure out how they changed the location of the toilet and the sink after everything was complete with all of the plumbing where it was.

JAP>
 
They created a violation, and it is not related to a 3 foot requirement. The receptacle has to be on a "wall or partition that is adjacent to the basis or basin countertop." Putting it on the side wall does not satisfy this rule.
 
I agree with Al, the basin is the actual sink not the vanity top. And I agree with Charlie too.
 
jap said:
I'm still trying figure out how they changed the location of the toilet and the sink after everything was complete with all of the plumbing where it was.

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I've roughed in houses where the HO changes it just before the drywall goes up. I came back to one where the switches had been cut out of the shower enclosure and the vanity light was above the toilet.
 
480sparky said:
I've roughed in houses where the HO changes it just before the drywall goes up. I came back to one where the switches had been cut out of the shower enclosure and the vanity light was above the toilet.
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It's funny how much attention we pay to details, and, how little others do.

You would think somewhere along the line someone would have stopped and thought,,,, Hmmmmmmm..... ???


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jap said:
I'm still trying figure out how they changed the location of the toilet and the sink after everything was complete with all of the plumbing where it was.
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It all depends on what is under the floor of this room. If there is a crawl space below, then shifting the piping would be a simple task. But then, if the electrical rough in was done, but not the final placement and wiring of the receptacle, then I strongly suspect that the final tiling of the wall had not been done yet either. So there was time to relocate the outlet box before the tile was installed.

I am guessing that the electrical and plumbing contractors did not have a common general contractor under whom they both worked. Or perhaps the HO was the GC. :roll:

 
charlie b said:
It all depends on what is under the floor of this room. If there is a crawl space below, then shifting the piping would be a simple task. But then, if the electrical rough in was done, but not the final placement and wiring of the receptacle, then I strongly suspect that the final tiling of the wall had not been done yet either. So there was time to relocate the outlet box before the tile was installed.

I am guessing that the electrical and plumbing contractors did not have a common general contractor under whom they both worked. Or perhaps the HO was the GC. :roll:

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I've been there Charlie, and, shifting a 4" in the middle of the floor to a different location and stubbing up , along with shifting a 1 1/2" that's already roughed into a wall, in a crawl space is not such a simple task. :)


It does seem to be however a complete lack of communication all the way around.

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jap said:
I'm still trying figure out how they changed the location of the toilet and the sink after everything was complete with all of the plumbing where it was.

JAP>
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3"x 2" reducer and the toilet can connect to the drain line originally intended for the sink:cool:

Hot water supply to the toilet keeps tank from sweating also.

What is the problem, other than the receptacles are not close enough to the vanity anymore?:D

I remember a house one time where when plumber was connecting fixtures, discovered he somehow supplied a vanity with two hot water stubs instead of a hot and a cold.:eek:hmy:

charlie b said:
They created a violation, and it is not related to a 3 foot requirement. The receptacle has to be on a "wall or partition that is adjacent to the basis or basin countertop." Putting it on the side wall does not satisfy this rule.
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Vanity like the one shown usually has a small lip near the edge of the counter - therefore you have main basin that is several inches deep and extended portions of basin that are only 1/4 inch deep:cool:

MAC702 said:
What is the purpose of the rule? Does this purpose still exist? I'm guessing an electric shaver while you stand in front of the sink?
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Actually I think this is somewhat newer rule, maybe added in 2002, 2005 or 2008?
 
480sparky said:
The 3' rule was introduced in 1999. Before that, it was merely 'adjacent'.
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Been a little longer than I thought then. 20 years now, but still not same as a rule that has been in place since 50's or 60's and I still call it "somewhat recent".
 
To clarify a bit of the confusion here
The wall behind the toilet and sink was opened due to a water leak and the sink was then shifted to the left with almost a full foot
That wall behind the sink was supposed to be mirrored up so the gfci was placed on a side wall
I’m not saying that the toilet was swooped with the sink
And FYI to move a sink over with a foot you don’t need to relocate plumbing
You just do that underneath a wide vanity


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