bathroom outlet if GFI.
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peter d
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
Huh??
Huh??
ryan_618
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
I have no idea what you are asking, but regarding the receptacle outlet location, take a look at 406.8
I have no idea what you are asking, but regarding the receptacle outlet location, take a look at 406.8
mdshunk
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
It puzzles me how a journeyman electrician can formulate such an incomprehensible question. Maybe I just don't get it.
It puzzles me how a journeyman electrician can formulate such an incomprehensible question. Maybe I just don't get it.
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
In answer to your question Eddy, the receptacle in relation to the tub, can be anywhere outside of the edge of the tub.
Trevor
Maybe your being a little harsh MD. Not all journeyman electricians have experience in residential work. Some of the greatest conduit and switchgear installers that I've ever seen would be lost in a one family dwelling.
In answer to your question Eddy, the receptacle in relation to the tub, can be anywhere outside of the edge of the tub.
Trevor
Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
In my few short days on these forums the one thing i learned is that this is such a vast area, that noone could ever learn it all in a lifetime.
I, for one, am glad to know that there is a place where we can come to help eachother.
I view an electrician as someone doing work anywhere between a door bell, and meter. commercial, industrial, residential.
In my few short days on these forums the one thing i learned is that this is such a vast area, that noone could ever learn it all in a lifetime.
I, for one, am glad to know that there is a place where we can come to help eachother.
mdshunk
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
Perhaps, but "cord to water resistance" doesn't make sense. I don't care what part of this industry you come from.
physis
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
Well, the GFI is manditory in a bathroom for any receptacle, so that much is ok.
A receptacle is not allowed in the "tub space", whatever that is, it's commonly accepted that a receptacle not mounted in the tub basin is not in the "tub space". I don't know how to be more specific than that.
Your receptacle is ok.
I don't know what the cord is you're talking about. If it's not permanently mounted equipment I don't think it makes any difference.
Can't you use a portable vaccuum to clean your tub?
Well, the GFI is manditory in a bathroom for any receptacle, so that much is ok.
A receptacle is not allowed in the "tub space", whatever that is, it's commonly accepted that a receptacle not mounted in the tub basin is not in the "tub space". I don't know how to be more specific than that.
Your receptacle is ok.
I don't know what the cord is you're talking about. If it's not permanently mounted equipment I don't think it makes any difference.
Can't you use a portable vaccuum to clean your tub?
Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
I thank every body for the good and the bad responds but i thank i found this sight because i could ask up to the dumest question and it could be answered. Some people dont ask quetion and that is why people die in the electrical field. One off the one every body thought was a nobody was MIKE HOLT but look at us here .
I thank every body for the good and the bad responds but i thank i found this sight because i could ask up to the dumest question and it could be answered. Some people dont ask quetion and that is why people die in the electrical field. One off the one every body thought was a nobody was MIKE HOLT but look at us here .
allenwayne
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I find it inconcievable that a journey man in this field couldn`t figure out how to do a job if all the material is there.99% is self explanitory.He needs a print with a legend.By the time he reaches j status he should already have knowledge of all wiring types available.
I have held a J card since 75 and I`m sure I would flounder a bit if placed back in a production facility,but then again I am not afraid to ask questions.I have jumped back and forth since 73 resi,comm,indust,explosion proof.
Since moving here to fla.I found there was allot more steady work in resi than other aspects.But I could still set a rack with 90`s rolling off that looks good.Tackle an ansul shunt controlled fire suppression system.So when I hear a J man say I`ve never hung a 4 ft 2 bulb wrap is there something else I can do ???Nope do it or go home
I find it inconcievable that a journey man in this field couldn`t figure out how to do a job if all the material is there.99% is self explanitory.He needs a print with a legend.By the time he reaches j status he should already have knowledge of all wiring types available.
I have held a J card since 75 and I`m sure I would flounder a bit if placed back in a production facility,but then again I am not afraid to ask questions.I have jumped back and forth since 73 resi,comm,indust,explosion proof.
Since moving here to fla.I found there was allot more steady work in resi than other aspects.But I could still set a rack with 90`s rolling off that looks good.Tackle an ansul shunt controlled fire suppression system.So when I hear a J man say I`ve never hung a 4 ft 2 bulb wrap is there something else I can do ???Nope do it or go home
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
I'm with Roger, some of the best Journeyman Electricians have never wired a residential bathroom. Doesn't make them any less of an electrician. There is something to be said for those in the trade who have only done commercial and industrial work for their entire careers. Besides, as Eddy said the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
What Eddy212 may have in mind is 680.43(A). This would require the the receptacle to be between 5 and 10 feet from the inside wall of the tub.
As far as waterproof plugs and female cord connectors go, Ericson can sell you an optional cord grip grommet for 14/2 and 12/2 UF cable for applications such as light fixture drops that need to be watertight and a corrosion resistant wiring method is needed. At a factory where I was working from July 2005 to November 2005 the environment is so nasty that I would need to use direct burial splices and connectors in the CEILING of some areas.
Oh, I know somebody who is qualified to work on 138,000 volts and inside of a washing machine but he does not know how to work on building wiring.
[ December 03, 2005, 01:12 AM: Message edited by: mc5w ]
What Eddy212 may have in mind is 680.43(A). This would require the the receptacle to be between 5 and 10 feet from the inside wall of the tub.
As far as waterproof plugs and female cord connectors go, Ericson can sell you an optional cord grip grommet for 14/2 and 12/2 UF cable for applications such as light fixture drops that need to be watertight and a corrosion resistant wiring method is needed. At a factory where I was working from July 2005 to November 2005 the environment is so nasty that I would need to use direct burial splices and connectors in the CEILING of some areas.
Oh, I know somebody who is qualified to work on 138,000 volts and inside of a washing machine but he does not know how to work on building wiring.
[ December 03, 2005, 01:12 AM: Message edited by: mc5w ]
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
Mc,
Where have you been? It's been quite a while.
Trevor
Mc,
Where have you been? It's been quite a while.
Trevor
allenwayne
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
I wasn`t trying to hammer any one person in particular.It was more of a generalization.The post started that "I`m working in a residence there a is a tub, with a cord attached to a gfci
about a foot away"Then wondered if it should be relocated and the should the cord be changed to water resistance ?
Then Roger wants to jump me for what was said maybe
"elaborated" by 6 or 7 other posters here.Eddie sorry if I offended you but when you said i was working in a residence,I took it for granted that you had experience in this field of the trade.
Roger are you going to start that petty war that a moderator had to step into to get you to stop As far as proving my years in trade If it was required to show proof when registering i`d say fine.But to feed into you and your banter I say pound some sand.With that said ,I offer my apology if I offended anyone else.
The guy I broke into this trade with once told me.You can become an industrial electrician , a commercial electrician, a residential electrician or become an all around service electrician.The first three are specialists,the 4th is like a general practitioner.The first three can say what they are specialists in a way.But a service electrician,knows something about it all, but knows when to refer a particular job to the specialist.
I wasn`t trying to hammer any one person in particular.It was more of a generalization.The post started that "I`m working in a residence there a is a tub, with a cord attached to a gfci
about a foot away"Then wondered if it should be relocated and the should the cord be changed to water resistance ?
Then Roger wants to jump me for what was said maybe
"elaborated" by 6 or 7 other posters here.Eddie sorry if I offended you but when you said i was working in a residence,I took it for granted that you had experience in this field of the trade.
Roger are you going to start that petty war that a moderator had to step into to get you to stop
As far as proving my years in trade If it was required to show proof when registering i`d say fine.But to feed into you and your banter I say pound some sand.With that said ,I offer my apology if I offended anyone else.The guy I broke into this trade with once told me.You can become an industrial electrician , a commercial electrician, a residential electrician or become an all around service electrician.The first three are specialists,the 4th is like a general practitioner.The first three can say what they are specialists in a way.But a service electrician,knows something about it all, but knows when to refer a particular job to the specialist.
pierre
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Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
As we have seen others here mention this, there are plenty who have many years in the industry and are considered journeyman.
Being considered qualified for a particular task is a different thing.
Even OSHA will qualify individuals differently as per their experience for the task involved. I feel this is one of the great aspects of our industry - it is so broad that a lot of people with different interests can find an occupation in it.
As we have seen others here mention this, there are plenty who have many years in the industry and are considered journeyman.
Being considered qualified for a particular task is a different thing.
Even OSHA will qualify individuals differently as per their experience for the task involved. I feel this is one of the great aspects of our industry - it is so broad that a lot of people with different interests can find an occupation in it.
allenwayne
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No Roger that issue doesn`t come to bear in this,just forget it but I did win that one as I recieved many pm`s to the fact.
As far as you questioning me
No Roger that issue doesn`t come to bear in this,just forget it but I did win that one as I recieved many pm`s to the fact.
As far as you questioning me
Re: bathroom outlet if GFI.
Allen, please enlighten me, what did you win, I have no idea what you are talking about. ) but that is not necessarily uncommon in the interest of keeping things on topic, I fail to see where that was a win/loose situation, but if it makes you happy to think you won something go ahead and think it.
Roger
Allen, please enlighten me, what did you win, I have no idea what you are talking about.
) but that is not necessarily uncommon in the interest of keeping things on topic, I fail to see where that was a win/loose situation, but if it makes you happy to think you won something go ahead and think it. Roger
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