gsrandy
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I can't seem to find where the code addresses light fixtures ( recessed) over tub areas. Does it have to be protected by GFCI unless it is constructed with a non-condutive trim plate?
Bathtub area light fixture
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
410.4(D) addresses surface mounted items. 410.4(A) addresses wet locations. I don't think anything else talkes about recessed lights over a regular bath tub.
If it is a hydromassage tub, or something like that, see Article 680.
Steve
410.4(D) addresses surface mounted items. 410.4(A) addresses wet locations. I don't think anything else talkes about recessed lights over a regular bath tub.
If it is a hydromassage tub, or something like that, see Article 680.
Steve
al hildenbrand
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
If the recessed light is part of an exhaust fan, the manufacturers instructions for the fan and the UL Certifications Directory will likely be the source of the requirement for a GFCI.
Otherwise, if this is a plain old recessed light, the NEC doesn't require the GFCI when over a tub, as Steve notes.
If the recessed light is part of an exhaust fan, the manufacturers instructions for the fan and the UL Certifications Directory will likely be the source of the requirement for a GFCI.
Otherwise, if this is a plain old recessed light, the NEC doesn't require the GFCI when over a tub, as Steve notes.
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
Just curious, does anyone feel that a recessed fixture over a shower or bathtub is a wet location?
Just curious, does anyone feel that a recessed fixture over a shower or bathtub is a wet location?
jwelectric
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
no
no
Re: Bathtub area light fixture
Yes.
Well, I think it might depend. Not if it is in a drywall ceiling. But what about a totally enclosed commercial shower stall? Or what if there is a tiled soffit above the shower? You know someone will spray the light when they clean the grout.
Steve
Yes.
Well, I think it might depend. Not if it is in a drywall ceiling. But what about a totally enclosed commercial shower stall? Or what if there is a tiled soffit above the shower? You know someone will spray the light when they clean the grout.
Steve
luke warmwater
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
BTW, my answer is no.
By any chance are you in PA??
BTW, my answer is no.
luke warmwater
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
No.
luke warmwater
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
Afterthought:
A recessed light over an enclosed shower would need a trim listed for the purpose.
Afterthought:
A recessed light over an enclosed shower would need a trim listed for the purpose.
allenwayne
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
Progess makes an open bulb trim that is rated for a shower area,a simple foam gasket and a rubber type coated halogen bulb.Halo and others have a 40 watt bulb assy. with a plastic or glass cover depends on manufacturer
Progess makes an open bulb trim that is rated for a shower area,a simple foam gasket and a rubber type coated halogen bulb.Halo and others have a 40 watt bulb assy. with a plastic or glass cover depends on manufacturer
al hildenbrand
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
The basic shower trim for the Halo H7T such as the 170PS is listed for wet location.
Edit typo - Al
[ March 17, 2005, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: al hildenbrand ]
The basic shower trim for the Halo H7T such as the 170PS is listed for wet location.
Edit typo - Al
[ March 17, 2005, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: al hildenbrand ]
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
Where does it say that a fixture in a shower needs to be listed for that usage?
Where does it say that a fixture in a shower needs to be listed for that usage?
Re: Bathtub area light fixture
I don't have my 2002 using the 2005 and can't find anything saying that, However in 2002 and before I thought there was something in 410 part 11 to that effect that a recessed fixture install as part of a shower inclosure had to be listed for the purpose. 410.4 (D) says luminaires located in this zone shall be listed for damp locations, or listed for wet locations where subjected to shower spray.
I don't have my 2002 using the 2005 and can't find anything saying that, However in 2002 and before I thought there was something in 410 part 11 to that effect that a recessed fixture install as part of a shower inclosure had to be listed for the purpose. 410.4 (D) says luminaires located in this zone shall be listed for damp locations, or listed for wet locations where subjected to shower spray.
electricalone
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
I found an article on the Underwriters Laboratories web site called Lamps in the Damp. In it they state that the fixtures over a tub or in a shower have to be listed for a damp or wet location. The lamp over the sink can be listed for a dry location if there is sufficient ventilation to keep moisture from accumulating.
I found an article on the Underwriters Laboratories web site called Lamps in the Damp. In it they state that the fixtures over a tub or in a shower have to be listed for a damp or wet location. The lamp over the sink can be listed for a dry location if there is sufficient ventilation to keep moisture from accumulating.
electrofelon
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
I once had an ispector say to me, "I might want to see that shower light GFI protected."
Might? what does that mean? Yes or No? I have seen some lights that are listed for damp locations only if GFI protected, so it may depend on the instructions/listing of the fixture.
I once had an ispector say to me, "I might want to see that shower light GFI protected."
Might? what does that mean? Yes or No?
I have seen some lights that are listed for damp locations only if GFI protected, so it may depend on the instructions/listing of the fixture.
electricmanscott
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
Oh really Mr. inspector, "You might want to get yourself a code book"
Any examples of those fixtures?
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
johndeereman
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
I think that the Halo brand fixtures state what kind of trim needs to be used if installed in damp or wet locations needs to be the 170PS which was mentioned by Al. I have not seen a recessed fixture yet that requires it to GFI protected if used in a tub or shower area. I have seen in the listings on bath fans that state that if installed in this area that it needs to be GFI protected.
I think that the Halo brand fixtures state what kind of trim needs to be used if installed in damp or wet locations needs to be the 170PS which was mentioned by Al. I have not seen a recessed fixture yet that requires it to GFI protected if used in a tub or shower area. I have seen in the listings on bath fans that state that if installed in this area that it needs to be GFI protected.
johndeereman
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Re: Bathtub area light fixture
I think that the Halo brand fixtures state what kind of trim needs to be used if installed in damp or wet locations needs to be the 170PS which was mentioned by Al. I have not seen a recessed fixture yet that requires it to GFI protected if used in a tub or shower area. I have seen in the listings on bath fans that state that if installed in this area that it needs to be GFI protected.
I think that the Halo brand fixtures state what kind of trim needs to be used if installed in damp or wet locations needs to be the 170PS which was mentioned by Al. I have not seen a recessed fixture yet that requires it to GFI protected if used in a tub or shower area. I have seen in the listings on bath fans that state that if installed in this area that it needs to be GFI protected.
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