Bedroom/Bathroom gas fireplace

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In our area of the country many house's are being built with a gas fireplace on the common wall between the master bedroom and master bathroom. The kind with glass faces on both sides. These fireplaces many times have an 120 volt fan motor that you plug into a recpt. inside the base of the fireplace through a hinged door. The fan is also in the base.

1. Is this recpt. considered in the bathroom or the bedroom?
2. GFI protection or AFCI protection?
3. If put on the bathroom GFI (which I think is best), what about the switch by the headboard of the bed to turn the fan on and off.
Any thoughts out there?
 
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There are many areas of the Code that are very gray and this is one of them.

IMO the receptacle is isolated from both rooms since it is accessible only through a hinged door. As such, it would not be required to be on either circuit.

If I were the AHJ, I would accept a single receptacle on a yoke to be fed from another circuit. If it were from the bedroom or bathroom it could be a duplex receptacle and protected with an AFCI if from the bedroom or a GFCI if from the bathroom.

The bottom line is that if you are in doubt, check with the AHJ. :D
 
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Sure you can wire it on a AFCI circuit but that opens you up to nusiance trips.We stopped wiring the bath rooms on AFCI`S for that reason the exhaust fans tripped the afci`s.
 
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Originally posted by a.wayne3@verizon.net:
Sure you can wire it on a AFCI circuit but that opens you up to nusiance trips.We stopped wiring the bath rooms on AFCI`S for that reason the exhaust fans tripped the afci`s.
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From what I have read from the manufacturers, there aren't nearly as many "nuisance trips" as reported. I beleive Sqaure D did several investigations on AFCI "nuisance trips" and found that the AFCI's were simply performing their intended function.


It might be worth mentioning that the source of this is from a major manufacturer of these devices, but I thought I would throw it out here anyway.
 
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Ryan didn`t Ford say that there was nothing wrong with the tires they were using for along time also.I am just speaking from experience,when afci`s became required here.We would wire bathrooms on that circuit,that`s where we found this out.Didn`t happen all the time but enough to alter this practice.
Allen :eek:
 
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During the testing of the AFCI circuit breakers, it takes 75 amperes before it will start sensing a fault. That will not cause nuisance tripping but miswired circuits will. :D
 
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"IMO the receptacle is isolated from both rooms since it is accessible only through a hinged door. As such, it would not be required to be on either circuit."
I think the answer lies within this statement.
On what side is the hinged door ? Should we keep the hinged door on the bedroom side the problem is easy,put it on afci.This way the receptacle is not in the bathroom anymore than the receptacle in the fan that is in the bathroom (not in shower area)
Unlike the restriction on bath receptacles having no other receptacles we do not have that ruling on the afci.If afci cause a problem the pressure to fix this will fall on the mfg.And that is only fair in that they are the ones that pushed to get the afci,so now make them work.

One might also ask just where does the bedroom or bathroom end and begin.What exactly is this space between 2 pieces of drywall?

[ March 10, 2004, 09:34 AM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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Why would this recepticle be any different than those used in bath light/fan combos to run the fan?

IMO, its not a recepticle in ordinary use, but a "connector" used in part of a UL listed assembly.
 
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JIM where has the pot stirrer been LOL. :D
 
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was too much slaming each other with insults so i backed off.Now come on and tell us how your pulling this one off,my way might work ,never really tried it tho.And i did find a way to get 2 houses from one t pole in pasco off wachulia
 
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