Bedrooms - Switched Receptacle or Ceiling Light?

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bjp_ne_elec

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I've seen it pretty both ways - and have'nt done enough recent work (been out of the trade for 15 years) - so I'm curious what you see in recent new homes.

Does anyone has a preference? Has the customer driven the choice?

Thanks,

Brett
 
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I can only speak for myself. If I could only put in one or the other, I would go for the ceiling light.
 
I don't do spec houses, they are all custom, so basically its a mix mash, some rooms will have only receptacles switched, others will have a light fixture... but I never get to pick...if I did though, I would switch the receptacle closet to the switch... :grin:
 
If I had my 'druthers, and the customer's blessings, I'd recommend installing a fan box w/ 3-wire, just in case, and three switches: 1st one for the ceiling light (red), 2nd one for the fan (capped black if no fan now), and the third for split-wiring all of the receptacles.

Otherwise, it's the customer's call.
 
Larry, I always install a fan box in a bedroom, but they only get a 1gang box for the switch, I just install a Lutron fan/light combo switch... so if you ever go to a house I wired, your all set if they want a fan installed! :grin:
 
bjp_ne_elec said:
Does anyone has a preference?

My preference:
CF box, 2 gang switch box.

bjp_ne_elec said:
Has the customer driven the choice?
No, the dead presidents do.

I, of course, "encourage" the customer to part with the dead presidents :D

During a rough, a CF install might be about $150 - $250 (have to check my sheet)...after the fact, STARTING at $450...both case, I do NOT supply the CF or light kit.
 
3-ways and split receptacles are favorite "Added touch" of mine. When I have more or less total control I wire 3-ways and split receptacles where I think the homeowner wants them.

Otherwise I daydream about knocking out the journeypeep or master who's being a big meanie and doing it anyway.
 
jaylectricity said:
stickboy1375 said:
I never get to pick...if I did though, I would switch the receptacle closet to the switch... :D
You musta did my house haha.

Whoever did that to you didn't like you very much.

I try to visual where I'd put a night stand, end table and/or floor lamp, then wire a few split receptacles around those locations.

If someone were to put one someplace stupid, I think I'd find out where they live and replace their porch light with a disco ball and play Really Bad 70's Music from a cheap boombox hidden in their bushes.
 
LarryFine said:
If I had my 'druthers, and the customer's blessings, I'd recommend installing a fan box w/ 3-wire, just in case, and three switches: 1st one for the ceiling light (red), 2nd one for the fan (capped black if no fan now), and the third for split-wiring all of the receptacles.

Otherwise, it's the customer's call.


If the HO wants an overhead light I wire for a fan no matter what. It is too much hassel when thery change their mind later.

As far as a choice, I would rather have an overhead, but must custom homes want a fan and no light kit with sw.recept. for light.
 
tallgirl said:
3-ways and split receptacles are favorite "Added touch" of mine. When I have more or less total control I wire 3-ways and split receptacles where I think the homeowner wants them.
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Same here. House we are doing right now was one of those "make up the electrical on a walk-through" and I finally asked them if they would just allow me to layout the setting as I went and I would take care of them. (switching, that is). It is easier on all of us.
 
I hardly ever see switched receptacle outlets on housewiring jobs blueprints anymore, used to see it alot. Around here they seem to have fallen out of favor except for maybe in townhouses or tracs, but I don't do either of those types nowadays.
 
macmikeman said:
I hardly ever see switched receptacle outlets on housewiring jobs blueprints anymore, used to see it alot. Around here they seem to have fallen out of favor except for maybe in townhouses or tracs, but I don't do either of those types nowadays.

Designing homes, or anything else for that matter, has become a lost art. Between all the gadgets that make it easy to lay down lines and produce a floor plan in an afternoon, and the general cheapness of most people these days, there's just no room to do anything "right".

360Youth said:
Same here. House we are doing right now was one of those "make up the electrical on a walk-through" and I finally asked them if they would just allow me to layout the setting as I went and I would take care of them. (switching, that is). It is easier on all of us.

It's not that hard to lay out some really handy circuits. Most jobs I'm on have more than enough 12/3 to do all sorts of neat stuff with split receptacles and 3-ways, and so few people know how to do 4-ways that I love to show off.

There are a lot of people who are neither electricians nor have experience with a REAL architect doing a REAL full-custom home and don't know what's possible, and there's a lot that's possible and if it's done up front, it's just not that expensive.
 
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tallgirl said:
It's not that hard to lay out some really handy circuits. Most jobs I'm on have more than enough 12/3 to do all sorts of neat stuff with split receptacles and 3-ways, and so few people know how to do 4-ways that I love to show off.

Ok, you've got me thinkin', do tell.
 
LarryFine said:
If I had my 'druthers, and the customer's blessings, I'd recommend installing a fan box w/ 3-wire, just in case, and three switches: 1st one for the ceiling light (red), 2nd one for the fan (capped black if no fan now), and the third for split-wiring all of the receptacles.

Otherwise, it's the customer's call.

I can't stand the look of 3 gang switch on a bedroom wall so I always press the customer in the direction of a fan box if they want a switched receptacle i try to have them switch it with the lceiling light or choose a combo switch for the fan and light. ultimatly I let the customer deside as it is their home, we only do custom homes so I always walk through with the customer.
 
Unless I'm wiring a custom home with for customers with mind-bendingly indecisive behavior, I will wire to plan. If people can't decide where they'd like a switched receptacle, I'll rope the whole area with three-wire because I expect them to change their minds at trim. Money should be in the bid for this nonsense (or customer service, or whatever it's called).

Sometimes in tract homes, there is just a switched receptacle. Usually, there is just a ceiling light. I will not prewire for a ceiling fan unless it's in the bid, because it's not my money I'm playing with. It's not just the three-wire. It's the bigger box, the greater amount of time it takes to strip that box. If a C/F box is installed, it's extra time to install that box and center it.

I can strip out three two-wire receptacles (in & out) in the time it takes me to strip out one three-wire receptacles (in & out) at rough. That means if I decide on my own authority to wire with three wire instead, I am sacrificing 200% of my productivity for this task, just getting the sheathing off.

If I need to communicate to the trim crew that the red is untouched, I must tie it through and cap it on the rough. More time.

That's not even considering the cost of three-wire over two-wire.

So, all things being equal, I will wire to the plans that generated the bid, unless I feel like donating my own bonus to features the homeowner may never be aware of or want. The decision should be entirely driven by environment. If you make a big deal out of your excess, charge accordingly, and are hired for it: follow through.

If the plans have not made this decision for you, make the plans before bidding. Installing a fixture can take several times longer than installing a half-switched receptacle.

JMO,
 
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