Belden Shielded Cable run with feeders

[faresos]

Can we run Belden Shielded cable # 9841 with generator feeders (600Kcmil) for remote annunciator panel? I have never done this before I always run it separately but this is an existing condition and will save us from running another conduit for 300Ft. My take on it if it's shielded then it's ok but I might be mistaken. If so, would you think the 4-600kcmil in 4"C (300ft) will damage the Belden cable?

thanks,

 

[luckylerado]

...Belden Shielded cable # 9841 with generator feeders...

It looks like 600V rated cable so I believe it is permissible. Definitely ground only one end and let the other end float.

 

[Ingenieur]

What voltage are the gensets?

 

[Julius Right]

I think the generator rated voltage is above 1000V. According to NEC 300.3 (C)(2)
Conductors of circuits rated over 1000 volts, nominal, shall not occupy the same equipment wiring enclosure, cable, or raceway with conductors of circuits rated 1000 volts, nominal, or less unless otherwise permitted in (C)(2)(a) through (C)(2)(d).
(C)(2)(b) allows this for motors but not specifically for generators. You have to consult the inspector or to avoid this.

 

[ATSman]

Not sure this will be any help to you but I found this report and pic from a job we did many years ago
that caused a lot of grief with the annunciator panel operation after the equipment was installed. The network cables were unshielded and touching the power cables throughout the four buildings surrounding a courtyard.
We finally had to install repeaters and separate power supplies between the ATS com cards due to the very long distances between them.

 

[J-R]

The generator I just did said in the manual
must be run separate. in own conduit

 

[Fulthrotl]

If so, would you think the 4-600kcmil in 4"C (300ft) will damage the Belden cable?

thanks,

thats a lot of weight and squish for a pvc jacketed cable.
i'm assuming its aluminum conductors.

i'd pull two of the control cables at least, in the pipe. if you pull one, and
it's damaged, then you have to pull all this back out and start
over, and we all know how much fun that will be.

i normally use simpull wire for all my stuff, and pull dry, but
i'd be concerned trying that here. i think i'd use simpull anyway,
and lube it to keep from damaging the control wires.

as was also said, ground one end, and float the other end of the shield.

 

[hbiss]

It looks like 600V rated cable so I believe it is permissible. Definitely ground only one end and let the other end float.

No. Belden 9841 is NEC type CM. Although CM is 300v- you aren't supposed to know that because people assume things like you are here. That's why the voltage rating is not printed anywhere on the cable or spool. The voltage rating buried in the specs is for non NEC applications.

All you need to know is that it is CM and CM cannot be run with power or Class 1 conductors in a raceway.

So the answer to the OPs question is no.

-Hal

 

[hbiss]

Not sure this will be any help to you but I found this report and pic from a job we did many years ago
that caused a lot of grief with the annunciator panel operation after the equipment was installed. The network cables were unshielded and touching the power cables throughout the four buildings surrounding a courtyard.
We finally had to install repeaters and separate power supplies between the ATS com cards due to the very long distances between them.

Good God! Was that ever inspected? That has to be the worst violation of 725.136(A) that I have ever seen!! :jawdrop:

Then you were surprised when you had problems so you "Band-Aid" it instead of pulling all that out and running it properly? Shame on you!

-Hal

 

[faresos]

What voltage are the gensets?

The Gen set is 480Y/277V

 

[hbiss]

Answer is still no...


-Hal

 

[faresos]

Thanks you all for the replies.

I always run a separate conduit for controls no matter what but since it was an existing installations we thought it might be some exceptions that I'm not aware of based on control wires type. Obviously running a separate conduit for controls is the right thing to do no matter what!

Thanks again!

 

[ATSman]

Good God! Was that ever inspected? That has to be the worst violation of 725.136(A) that I have ever seen!! :jawdrop:

Then you were surprised when you had problems so you "Band-Aid" it instead of pulling all that out and running it properly? Shame on you!

-Hal

Why are you scolding me?
We were called in to inspect the contractors installation and offer possible solutions. It was cost prohibitive for the contractor to pull out of 4 buildings and install in separate conduits. Our fix was cheap and effective.