Best way to bond pool ladder

Sparkey1981

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Looking for ideas on neat and clean ideas to bond this style pool ladder. The T that connects the handrails is plastic. So it makes it 6 pieces of stainless to bond.
The last few pools I have wired have all had plastic ladders these stairs look nice but are going to be a pain.
I know you guys are smart and will have and idea
Thanks in advance
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Dennis Alwon

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I seriously wonder if it needs to be bonded. The water is bonded so the rails in the water would naturally be bonded also. IDK

I would call the manufacturer. It seems like they would have some bonding area if it needed to be bonded
 

Sparkey1981

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I seriously wonder if it needs to be bonded. The water is bonded so the rails in the water would naturally be bonded also. IDK

I would call the manufacturer. It seems like they would have some bonding area if it needed to be bonded
I was wondering the same thing about the rails in the water but I dunno I will find the installation manual and give the manufacturer a buzz
 

Hv&Lv

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Do they have to be bonded? They don’t look like a permanent structure of the pool, nor do they penetrate the pool
 

nickelec

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Tell the customer to get a different Ladder , if your worried about their safety it might not be such a bad Ides to mention

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brantmacga

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Permanently installed ladders have a bonding lug in the receiver that’s embedded in the deck.

I would think if these are required to be bonded, it would have a lug.


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Mystic Pools

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Permanently installed ladders have a bonding lug in the receiver that’s embedded in the deck.

I would think if these are required to be bonded, it would have a lug.


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I agree.
Yes, typical inground pool ladders are fastened to a ladder socket that has a bond lug in place.

I'm pretty sure this manufacturer is on top of the bonding requirement and if this ladder needed bonding. it would have said so.
A call to the manufacturer is still a good idea though to be certain.
 

Sparkey1981

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So I have reread 680 to refresh my brain
I see 680.26 B (7) All fixed metal parts shall be bonded.
Is this what everybody is saying that these stairs are not a fixed feature of an above ground pool?
 

Mystic Pools

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Based on your re-read, I would guess because they are removable and they are not fixed, they do not need to be bonded.

Looking a closer at the photo, I see rails joining at the center uprights. Is that "coupling" plastic? So then I ask, if the rails are separate and they are to be bonded, one must bond all 6 separate pieces?
 

Sparkey1981

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Based on your re-read, I would guess because they are removable and they are not fixed, they do not need to be bonded.

Looking a closer at the photo, I see rails joining at the center uprights. Is that "coupling" plastic? So then I ask, if the rails are separate and they are to be bonded, one must bond all 6 separate pieces?
The coupling is plastic that is the killer it makes it six pieces of metal
 

Dennis Alwon

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It is in the definitions at the beginning of art 680

Storable Swimming, Wading, or Immersion Pools; or Storable/
Portable Spas and Hot Tubs. Swimming, wading, or immersion
pools that are intended to be stored when not in use,
constructed on or above the ground and are capable of holding
water to a maximum depth of 1.0 m (42 in.), or a pool, spa,
or hot tub constructed on or above the ground, with nonmetallic,
molded polymeric walls or inflatable fabric walls regardless
of dimension.
Then go to part III and there is nothing about bonding
 

Mystic Pools

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My curiosity killed me. I don't anything with above grounds but, I checked my supplier on above ground kits and standard/stock liners. The liners come 48" and 52" depths.
I will have to assume this pool is either one.
 
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