bigging on larger commercial - questions

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jimmyglen

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I have recenty been bidding on larger commercial projests

our bread and butter has been smaller commercial and remodel resi (custom homes - mom and pop work etc) We are a merit shop and some of these jobs are prevailing wage


My question is

Is this type of work awarded to the low guy all the time or do most G.C's have someone they "work with" all the time - meaning they get last looks etc

also - are there any full time commercial estimators on this board?


thanks
 

macmikeman

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I have recenty been bidding on larger commercial projests

our bread and butter has been smaller commercial and remodel resi (custom homes - mom and pop work etc) We are a merit shop and some of these jobs are prevailing wage


My question is

Is this type of work awarded to the low guy all the time or do most G.C's have someone they "work with" all the time - meaning they get last looks etc

also - are there any full time commercial estimators on this board?
thanks

Jimmy, I used to contract in that arena. Either morph your company into a minority disadvantaged business, or you won't be able to compete much.
 

jimmyglen

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by larger projects I mean 100k plus

I guess for some people thats not large though

I need to get some real training and software though - I think my numbers are too high

should hear back on a couple next week
 

480sparky

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Being the lowest bidder isn't always to your advantage. Some projects automatically kick out the lowest and the hights bids.
 

CopperTone

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Location
MetroWest, MA
You need to learn the laws regarding public bidding in your state. It can be confusing at first but once you know the procedure, it is not hard like anything else.

In Massachusetts, projects estimated to be over 100k a GC must be registered and certified with the State - Dept of Capital Asset Management. (DCAM Certified). If a sub trade is estimate to be over $20k on that job the subs bidding must be DCAM certifed also.

The filed sub bids are due about a week before the GC bids. The GC's have to use one of the sub bids from each trade.
they take a number from each sub trade and add their numbers to it to come up with a total bid for the job. They do not have to use the lowest bid but most of the time they do. GC's can restrict against subs and subs can restrict against GC's.
For example - as a EC sub I can say my price is X amount - this price can be used by anyone except xxx contruction , or this price can be used only if xxx construction gets the job. same thing for GC's

The GC is awarded the job based on the lowest total contract price and deemed a responsible bidder. The subs are awarded the job based on what sub company the GC carried on their bid- they can't change the sub after they win their bid.
The prevailing wage only evens the playing field with open and union shops so everyone is using the same labor wage.

In private work there is plenty of preferred subs and last looks going on all day every day - right or wrong, honest or dishonest.

in public work bidding that is called collusion and is against the law.

If the project sub trades are not estimated to be over 20k then the bidding gc's can get their own subs to provide prices to them directly as there is no filed sub bid in that situation. If the project is under 100k - any GC can bid it - that is a free for all - as long as they pay prevailing wage they are good to go.
I am not sure if they have to list their subs at bidding time for that situation - they may not and I suppose last looks happen there - but to get beat up by a regular GC for $200- $800 or so kind of gets old quick.
 
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