bLEEDing from the ears.....

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Fulthrotl

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just finished day one of a two day LEED certification, having stuff poured in
my ear with a funnel..... day two is tomorrow, then 4 hours a day, until the
25th, which is test date.....

i hope there's a pony in here somewhere, 'cause there's a huge pile of
horsepoop, and a short time to shovel.....

off i go to shovel some more. toodles.

randy
 

quogueelectric

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new york
How do you feel the leed program can help your buisness?? I dont hear much about this where I am from. I like to stay ahead of the curve if I can.
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
How do you feel the leed program can help your buisness?? I dont hear much about this where I am from. I like to stay ahead of the curve if I can.

by opening doors. it's speculative on my part at this point, but there's
enough studies of the whole LEED process to demonstrate a savings
on the bottom line. federal and state governments are implementing it,
as are all branches of the us military. so are most of the large developers
i am familiar with.

a family member owns a real estate development and property management
firm with about 3 dozen employees. his main accounts have indicated a
strong desire that all of their partnering be with LEED AP's. strong enough
that he has committed to have all of his employees certified as LEED AP's
by the end of the year. based on his assessment of it's value alone, i'd
do it. the man hasn't gotten where he is by making poor choices... 'nuff said.

there are firms at this point that will not ask you to bid unless you are an AP,
and they want all their senior project managers and supervisory people on
site to be AP's.

it isn't there yet, but give it three or so years, and i suspect it'll become for
construction what ISO 9000 is to manufacturing.

worst case, if i am wrong, i've invested two weeks of my life and $1,200
for something that won't bring me any additional revenue. if i'm correct,
it'll pay off well. we'll see......
 

e57

Senior Member
Since I hit the back button by accident - I'll spare you the rest (well most of) of my rant on the topic.

In the mean time read this:
http://earthfirst.com/the-10-dumbest-green-buildings-on-earth/

I will say that much of it is to enrich people and companies who are promoting this to become the law of the land - and much of it while keeping certain items out of the landfill just moves the trash mine to the job-site. And just gives people who are forced to comply a BOZO button for thier efforts to circumvent real energy and eviromental policy - a gift from thier weathy peers in most cases.

I'm remembering the guy a few years ago bragging about the 'recycled lumber' - "Gluelams" - shook my head and thought about the Discovery Channel show where they take whole trees and chuck them in a chipper to make them...... :rolleyes: As I walked out of his multi-million dollar beach house.

"We re-used the doors from a church in Italy" :rolleyes: That'll get you a platinum BOZO button... Meanwhile a church has no doors somewhere. Tough luck if I'll get the same praise for re-purposing your main service to some guy down the street - to install a 600A panel at your place to handle your pool equipment....
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
Since I hit the back button by accident - I'll spare you the rest (well most of) of my rant on the topic.

"We re-used the doors from a church in Italy" :rolleyes: That'll get you a platinum BOZO button... Meanwhile a church has no doors somewhere. Tough luck if I'll get the same praise for re-purposing your main service to some guy down the street - to install a 600A panel at your place to handle your pool equipment....

how sad... a lost rant.... i hate when that happens....:D

i'm not gonna debate the issue of merit, mostly cause i agree with you.:smile:

some of the stuff is valid, much is BS.

however, to do a LEED commissioning can amount to one percentage point
of the total project.

and there is a serious shortage of commissioning agents. i don't agree with
some of title 24 regulations, but i try to successfully apply them in a creative
manner to save my customer money.

'sides, the only way those church doors will get eligibility is if they were
sourced from a dealer within 500 miles of the project. just reusing old stuff
in many cases won't get you credit for leed qualifications without passing
several tests. and the category of yuppie bling doesn't have point value in
the calculations......:D

and electrical, plumbing, and hvac equipment is exempt from credit for
reusing..... they want you to buy the latest and greatest. now that pool
equipment, if you leave the pool empty, and drill holes in the bottom of the
pool, you can harvest rainwater and return it to the water table....
i'm sure that'll get you an innovation point, as it's never been done before....

i'll take my tongue out of my cheek now, and get back to studying.

randy


i've still gotta cram a bunch of stuff into my head before a week from tomorrow.
 

quogueelectric

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new york
I am the first to jump on these new opportunities to make money and 90% of the time I end up losing money yet have a stack of certification cards which are useless now. The latest was the TWIC certification.
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
I am the first to jump on these new opportunities to make money and 90% of the time I end up losing money yet have a stack of certification cards which are useless now. The latest was the TWIC certification.

i won't argue the point.... however, it's coming. something they did in
burbank was this... a completely off the grid aircraft hanger. it's connected
electrically to be able to dump power back into the grid... it generates
110% of it's electric needs, including powering all it's ground support vehicles,
and supplying ground power to the 757 being serviced inside.

http://3030nclybournavenue.com/

after 30 years of dancing with this stuff, the bottom line is that it's becoming
profitable to do. construction costs on this hanger were about the same as
conventional construction. there's government subsidies to get people off the
dime, but it's become cost effective even without the subsidies.
 

Doug S.

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West Michigan
Thanks e57. Made my night.

If it's profitable, why not:confused: I agree with the BS factor, but one of my first jobs was shoveling it, and it paid so I shoveled. :grin:

AND although I am fairly disgusted with everything LEED I've ever been subjected to, ( another rant put on the shelf ) I think that it is a start. I expect most things from g'mnt to be pretty messed up, and don't like the pinup environmental hipocracy, but like the fact that people are starting to care. At least I can hope today's kids ( who don't realize the facade yet ) will learn to care... and then cut out the crap?
 

e57

Senior Member
Thanks e57. Made my night.

If it's profitable, why not:confused: I agree with the BS factor, but one of my first jobs was shoveling it, and it paid so I shoveled. :grin:

AND although I am fairly disgusted with everything LEED I've ever been subjected to, ( another rant put on the shelf ) I think that it is a start. I expect most things from g'mnt to be pretty messed up, and don't like the pinup environmental hipocracy, but like the fact that people are starting to care. At least I can hope today's kids ( who don't realize the facade yet ) will learn to care... and then cut out the crap?
SF is one of the first places to adopt this as a policy for first commercial - then residential down the line on a mandatory basis. What I see so far - is not that it will make it more profitable for YOU/US - but some consultants who seem to be in bed with other people acting to specify stuff from people they are in bed with - some office boys and girls who know very little about construction of any kind. Yet they all get a piece of the pie spec'ing the pricey items they can 'call' - "green". Often budget burners before anything even sees a hammer. Sometimes blowing ambition out of the job at the get go. Often money and hassle wise.

Much of the energy items are already in the codes here anyway, and often in excess of LEED. So I often fail to see the point. What much of the LEED stuff seems to be to me is a architecture and design school project gone awry. Much of it also seems to come out a certain genre of design that falls right into Dwell Magazine. At some time in the future this will be a dated form. And at that point there may be some heavy laughter in the future - when the archaeologist are piecing together whats left and say, "What were they thinking?!?"
 

iwire

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Location
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Gentlemen, we are professionals, please leave out all the reference to feces.

No 'BS', 'crap' 'horse poop' etc. I am sure you can find better ways to express your displeasure.
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
just finished day one of a two day LEED certification, having stuff poured in
my ear with a funnel..... day two is tomorrow, then 4 hours a day, until the
25th, which is test date.....

randy

i came, i saw, i shoveled, i tested.

passing score is 170 out of 200
my score was 170. it was a pain.

according to the test lady at prometric, it's been a cattle car of leed hopefuls
hurrying to sip the koolaid.:D she said 28% are passing.

after the first of the month, the leed process is changing. new tests will be
more difficult, more expensive in terms of time to prep for it, and require
ongoing inservice to maintain the certification. that's why the stampede.

the people who passed before the end of the month get grandfathered in,
and don't have to do that..... :D

o.k...... now where's my pony? after expending minimal effort, i want maximum
yield. ...... that's how you know i'm an electrician....... :D
 

jdsmith

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Location
Ohio
So what exactly did you do to prepare? It looks like all of your prep was inside a 2 week timeframe? I just checked www.gbci.org and it looks like I can register for the exam by the end of March and take it by the end of June to be under the old style permanent accreditation.

I'm thinking about registering in the next couple of days to take the exam in May or June and having one shot to get the permanent certification - does this seem intelligent? Are books and sample tests enough to prepare for it?
 

cadpoint

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Location
Durham, NC
You know, it kinda funny to see two CA guys ))OK, and others, too(( rant on the subject, ya'll are ahead of the curve, right or wrong it's not going away...

It's just something else, truely! To learn from it and know it!

It'll write it's own history!
Green, yuppie, geek or otherwise, it's already altered alot applications and designs in our everyday lives...
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
So what exactly did you do to prepare? It looks like all of your prep was inside a 2 week timeframe? I just checked www.gbci.org and it looks like I can register for the exam by the end of March and take it by the end of June to be under the old style permanent accreditation.

I'm thinking about registering in the next couple of days to take the exam in May or June and having one shot to get the permanent certification - does this seem intelligent? Are books and sample tests enough to prepare for it?

here's the deal..... if you test before the end of the month, and don't pass,
you can reschedule before the end of the month, and get the same test
standard, and test after the first of the month, and still be eligable for
the grandfather clause.

my understanding is that if you can't get tested initally before the first of
the month, you're out of luck on the old test.

that is how the LEED instructor explained it to us. i may have misunderstood
it, but there was considerable :wink: interest in this among the people who
attended the class i was in.

here's the rub... if you blow the test, prometric has to notify USGBC that
has occurred, before you can reschedule another test a month or so later.

prometric and USGBC are swamped. if you test at the end of the month,
there won't be enough time for the results to be uploaded for you to
reschedule.

if you *really* want to do this, here's what i'd do... today is wed. the 25th.

IMMEDIATELY (like right after you read this), go to USGBC and set up an
account. they will mail you a password and you can log back on.

get your credit card handy. you are going to need it. follow the links after
you enter your personal information into your account at USGBC, until you
get to the prometrics site, to schedule your test. look at the nearest
prometrics site to where you are at, and see if they have anything
available as far as test slots. take the first one you can get. i don't know
if you can get one for tomorrow, but if you can, take it.

it'll cost $400. round one for the credit card.

go take the test tomorrow. you'll fail. start checking the USGBC web site
for your account information to update. keep your notarized test results
from prometric. the instant it does, reschedule your second test, and
set it a couple months from now. as long as it happens before the first of
the month, you are locked in.

it'll cost $400. round two for the credit card.

once you get the second test date, get the LEED reference guide.
425 pages, softbound.

it'll cost $200. round three for the credit card.

log onto the everblue training site. they do a two day course that pours
the stuff into your head. find out where there is one, hopefully about a
week and a half before your test date. sign up.

it'll cost $600. round four for the credit card.

you are now into this $1,600.

prep time for the test is given by everyone as between 40-60 hours.
what i walked into the test with, was the 16 hours of class time,
and 7 hours spent reviewing the everblue material yesterday.
their two day workshop is well worth the money, in my opinion.

my advice is not to do it like that. allow some more time than that.
i take tests very well, but morover, i was flat lucky. it's as simple as that.

if ya need any help or have questions, PM me....

as my nephew, who passed the AP test in december said...
"yeah, it's nuts, and we are all drinking the koolaid... get a cup, cause it's
how stuff is going to get built down the road."

the firm he heads currently manages the largest amount of square footage
of warehouse space in north america. it didn't get to that size 'cause he
makes bad decisions.

good luck..... hope you can fail the test tomorrow..... :D
 

Fulthrotl

~Autocorrect is My Worst Enema.~
I'm thinking about registering in the next couple of days to take the exam in May or June and having one shot to get the permanent certification - does this seem intelligent? Are books and sample tests enough to prepare for it?

this just got posted on the leed testing process on wed. the 25th.
here's the official information regarding this. plan accordingly.

http://www.gbci.org/ShowFile.aspx?DocumentID=3613
 
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