Bonding light fixture housing to manufacturer provided back plate

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Let me set the scene...I am an electrical engineer in Georgia. The installation in question was a 277 volt wall mounted fluorescent vanity fixture in a college classroom building. The ballast is attached to the fixture housing. The manufacturer supplier back plate is mounted to the flush mount metal octagon box. The equipment grounding conductor is bonded to the box and to the manufacturer back plate. The manufacturer does NOT recommend installing a bonding conductor between the metal back plate and the metallic fixture housing. When the fixture is removed from the back plate there is only the phase conductor and neutral from the junction box to the ballast.

Our concern was that when the fixture was energized and not connected to the back plate there was a voltage in excess of 130 VAC measured between the metal fixture housing and the metal faucet at the sink. The building metal water piping is part of the building grounding electrode system.

This is from the manufacturer:

"When they (electrical contractor) break the earth ground connection from the dead metal parts of the fixture, the fixture parts are no longer having their potential measured against the same standard earth ground. While the meter shows a ~ 130v potential, the fixture dead metal parts are not energized from the source power. The meter is indicating a difference in potential between the dead metal parts and earth ground. In fact if they completely remove power from the fixture and measure the potential of the fixture to earth ground they will still see some voltage.

When the connection of the dead metal parts to earth ground is established, the potential difference between the two items is reduced to essentially zero.

There are a lot of contributing factors that drive the potential difference that will be exhibited between floating parts and earth ground. They can check this with other objects and see a voltage reading when the item is not connected to earth ground.

In the best interest of safety, electrical fixtures should not be installed or removed when power is present. We would recommend they turn off the power to the junction box when they are installing a fixture. If they are going to install and remove these with the power present and they want to eliminate this potential between the dead metal parts and earth ground, a ground lead could be added from the backplate to the fixture to maintain the earth ground connection when the parts are physically separated.

The fixtures is safe and certified to be so. Our instructions indicate to remove power before installing or removing the fixtures which is good practice. The voltage they are reading is not because the fixture is energized from the power source, it is due to the fact that the fixture is floating and when compared to earth ground will show a difference in potential."


This seems to be a good argument but I still can 't determine why there would be no bonding strap or conductor between the back plate and the fixture housing. Any comments?
 
The fixture IS bonded when secured to the back plate using the mounting screws. The problem was what happens if this fixture comes loose over time and falls off of the back plate, leaving it physically attached only by the hot and neutral wires.
 
The fixture IS bonded when secured to the back plate using the mounting screws. The problem was what happens if this fixture comes loose over time and falls off of the back plate, leaving it physically attached only by the hot and neutral wires.
The chance of all the screws coming loose simultaneously seems pretty remote.

UL listed it that way. if it is good enough for them, it is good enough for me.
 
The fixture IS bonded when secured to the back plate using the mounting screws. The problem was what happens if this fixture comes loose over time and falls off of the back plate, leaving it physically attached only by the hot and neutral wires.

What happens if you blow out a tire driving down the highway? Are your required to run tires with tubes in them?
 
I am sorry.
I wasn't addressing the bonding I was addressing the "what if"

It has been my experience that in a college dorm anything can happen and the "what if" becomes real.

Please forgive me not clearing this issue up in the beginning. :ashamed1:
 
Here is the response from the electrical contractor on the project. He is speaking in response to the manufacturer's statement from my original post.

"My first comment for his first statement is why is there a potential?? Could this not be remedied with double insulation just like a power hand tool??

We also seem to have 2 different issues; I?m talking about a fault and he is discussing potential. A ground fault always travels the line of least resistance. Take a look at the second photo and notice the ground wire being between the back box and NOT the fixture. This same potential is still ?floating? while he is touching the backbox because there is not an established ground for a fault. WE HAVE NO GROUND ESTABLISHED AT THE FIXTURE and this is why we?re not being shocked while we?re just holding the fixture while energized. But if a man is holding the fixture in his hand and leans against a ?ground? (faucet) or comes between a ground (thus establishing a ground for the fault), he will be shocked because a ground is being established. Have them photograph with NO established ground while holding the fixture in the right hand and the ground in the left hand. Let the body be the ?flow? of the ground. This is ridiculous!!! We?re not being shocked by potential voltage; we?re being shocked by a ground fault.

I understand the potential for floating voltage across a device or a fixture, but not across a ground and why is a floating ground OK???"
 
I'm confused. Where is the voltage comming from when the fixture is not attached, I.E. holding it in your hand? Is this due to an ungrunded conductor contacting the fixture housing or is this induced voltage?
 
That is the million dollar question. There is no apparent sign of an ungrounded conductor in contact with the housing. The manufacturer is indicating the measured voltage is due to the floating metal housing and that there is no danger of shock. The contractor is saying that is all well and good, but his guy got shocked.
 
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