Bootleg ground from neutral

[Srv52761]

Someone in a home improvement forum posted this picture and implied it was NEC approved in 2018 (probably meant 2017).
Maybe in conjunction with a gfci outlet?

Don’t remember ever seeing this before, nor read about it, either here or in any readings of the NEC. Have I missed this?

 

[tortuga]

To do that per code you also need to loop the bare over to the black wire.

 

[Buck Parrish]

That has always been a code violation. And infact dangerous. IMO if caught doing that you should be repramanded.

 

[jaggedben]

Lol

Never been allowed.

 

[Buck Parrish]

To do that per code you also need to loop the bare over to the black wire.

but the white is on the black screw,

 

[jaggedben]

Yikes.

 

[Buck Parrish]

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Someone in a home improvement forum posted this picture and implied it was NEC approved in 2018 (probably meant 2017).
Maybe in conjunction with a gfci outlet?

Don’t remember ever seeing this before, nor read about it, either here or in any readings of the NEC. Have I missed this?

The only reason to do this would be to trick a testing device such as a Woodhead. It is considered wrong illegall and imoral. (Did I make it clear)

 

[LarryFine]

Maybe in conjunction with a gfci outlet?

No. In fact, when you use a GFCI in conjunction with ungrounded grounding receptacles, you are not supposed to connect any EGCs to any terminal or each other. Clip them off at the sheath.

This avoids a malfunctioning (line-to-housing fault) load from energizing another load.

Have I missed this?

It's normally seen in old work. Its only purpose is to fool inspectors who rely on plug-in testers.

 

[LarryFine]

Did I make it clear

 

[ptonsparky]

Somebody's marked up the screws. The EG is always on the side of the grounded conductor. At least all I can think of.

 

[LarryFine]

but the white is on the black screw,

Somebody's marked up the screws.

I don't think they're blackened; I think it's just the angle and lighting.

 

[ptonsparky]

I don't think they're blackened; I think it's just the angle and lighting.

Ok.
I may have missed the previous black screw sarcasm.

 

[hillbilly1]

No. In fact, when you use a GFCI in conjunction with ungrounded grounding receptacles, you are not supposed to connect any EGCs to any terminal or each other. Clip them off at the sheath.

This avoids a malfunctioning (line-to-housing fault) load from energizing another load.


It's normally seen in old work. Its only purpose is to fool inspectors who rely on plug-in testers.

I have a plug in tester that detects that. It must measure the resistance between the neutral and ground, and if it is too low, it flags it as a bootleg.

 

[tortuga]

If you wire it like this it will make sure the breaker keeps it safe, the breaker on this circuit would not even stay on imagine that?

 

[Buck Parrish]

I have a plug in tester that detects that. It must measure the resistance between the neutral and ground, and if it is too low, it flags it as a bootleg.

Care to share the brand and model ?

 

[hillbilly1]

Here it is, does fault current and voltage drop too.

 

[hillbilly1]

It didn’t let me upload a very good picture, it is an Ideal Suretest model 61-164

 

[drcampbell]

Only $400.

SureTest® Circuit Analyzer

SureTest® Circuit Analyzer

www.idealind.com

 

[hillbilly1]

Wouldn’t be real good for inspections, it has to boot up every time you plug it in. I use it to check for high resistance ground's and other anomalies when troubleshooting.

 

[xformer]

Somebody's marked up the screws. The EG is always on the side of the grounded conductor. At least all I can think of.

one up, two down.