Box Grounding

[flashlight]

Sure you can. I do it all the time. I cut my gem box hole. I reach in with my sidecutters and tap the strap to the stud. Then I loop it around and connect it to the gem box. You can also cut an access point to add a strap. It's still a fished cable.

You must have arms like a cobra with the strength of a rhino ! I couldn't do that. My hands are too big to even
fit in a gem box hole.

I agree, you could cut access point. But that has never been required where I am. And I have never
lost sleep, the bx has always been well attached to box.

 

[Jerramundi]

I grew up as an artist long before I ever got into construction work. That's where the perfectionism comes from.
My hand eye coordination is also superb. I can literally throw a dart between my legs and hit the bullseye.
I'm also really good at billiards. *chest puff* lol... but there are still some drunks that can whoop me.

 

[roger]

How can I NOT take that the wrong way? lol This is equivalent to saying "no homo," before you well...

Ok take it that way but show us a picture of your hands please.

Roger

 

[infinity]

Sure you can. I do it all the time. I cut my gem box hole. I reach in with my sidecutters and tap the strap to the stud. Then I loop it around and connect it to the gem box. You can also cut an access point to add a strap. It's still a fished cable.

You've met the definition of impracticable. Besides who's is going to want to have to either patch the hole and paint the wall or look at a blank cover on a gem box.

 

[Jerramundi]

Ok take it that way but show us a picture of your hands please.

If I were to do that I would be booted from the forum

 

[flashlight]

I grew up as an artist long before I ever got into construction work. That's where the perfectionism comes from.
My hand eye coordination is also superb. I can literally throw a dart between my legs and hit the bullseye.
I'm also really good at billiards. *chest puff* lol... but there are still some drunks that can whoop me.

Well, I consider myself a perfectionist also.
I would do anything for love (of the craft)
But I can't do that.

 

[LarryFine]

Exceptions must refer to their parent section... so what "support being impracticable" is 300.4(D) Exception #2 referring to??

I consider a finished wall to make fastening a cable impracticable.

Besides, the setback is to protect the cable during wall finishing. In existing work, that has already been done.

 

[LarryFine]

My hands are too big to even fit in a gem box hole.

Same here. I wear 3XL motorcycle gloves.

 

[LarryFine]

II can literally throw a dart between my legs and hit the bullseye.

Sounds painful!

 

[flashlight]

Sounds painful!

He said the bullseye, not the.... ; )

 

[Jerramundi]

I consider a finished wall to make fastening a cable impracticable.

Well, if you're applying that to 334.30(B)(1), then you have some ground to stand on as I already acknowledged... but there is still some ambiguity there so it's not definitive.

If BOTH (B)(1) and (B)(2) are required, then you have not met both requirements of 334.30(B) and thus it is not applicable.

They should clarify whether 334.30(B) requires (B)(1) AND (B)(2) -or- (B)(1) OR (B)(2) with a simple one word logical operand. In one case, your argument is solid. In the other case, it is not. Hence the aforementioned ambiguity.

300.4(D) Exception #2 does not apply though, IMO.

 

[LarryFine]

I interpret it as "or" and operate that way.

 

[Eddie702]

Securing fished cables? You have to let that one go. What about all the old buildings still standing that were built before electricity?

As far as the op use a stick of pvc for a sleeve and nothing needs bonding

 

[Jerramundi]

Securing fished cables? You have to let that one go.

I'm not saying fishing is a bad thing. There's a definite skill to it. I'd like to think I' m pretty good at it. I'm just not the kind of EC that ever considers leaving a cable unsupported as a first option. It just bugs me. It's always a last option in my book. If I can drill a quarter sized hole with a spade bit and get a strap on it, I do it... and the hole is just the cost of the getting the job done. Sorry, but you gotta paint. That comes with the territory of doing mechanical work in my mind. I'm not about to start enabling these people and their precious drywall over a securely installed section of mechanical work.