Branch circuits
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jeff43222
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Re: Branch circuits
Yes.
Yes.
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- Lockport, IL
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Re: Branch circuits
I agree, "yes," but I would like to add that you need at least two 15 amp receptacles. Reference 210.21(B)(1) and (3).
I agree, "yes," but I would like to add that you need at least two 15 amp receptacles. Reference 210.21(B)(1) and (3).
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Re: Branch circuits
For those who might not know...a standard duplex is two receptacles.
Don
For those who might not know...a standard duplex is two receptacles.
Don
friebel
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Re: Branch circuits
I would like to make a request, that any time any of us make a statement about the code, that we put the Article number in detail. It would really help the electricians who are really studying the code. I am an instructor and I always request from my students to write the article down with their answer.
I would like to make a request, that any time any of us make a statement about the code, that we put the Article number in detail. It would really help the electricians who are really studying the code. I am an instructor and I always request from my students to write the article down with their answer.
jimwalker
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Re: Branch circuits
friebel
that is a great idea but might slow down answers as some questions are very cut dry easy but the code article would take time to find.Some of us enjoy this forum for a few minutes before leaving for work and the time simply is not there to find them the code.
friebel
that is a great idea but might slow down answers as some questions are very cut dry easy but the code article would take time to find.Some of us enjoy this forum for a few minutes before leaving for work and the time simply is not there to find them the code.
friebel
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Re: Branch circuits
Thank-you, for your reply jimwalker, I am a retired electrician that worked for the DuPont Company for 45 years, before I contacted esophageal cancer and that forced my retirement, or I would still be working at DuPont.
I have put my energies and knowledge into teaching at Delaware Technical & Community College, where I am teaching the Code, PLC's, and HVAC/R electrical controls.
So, I do have more time than you hard-working every day electricians.
Pardon me for being long-winded, but I am very proud of surviving esophageal cancer and being able to teach subjects that I enjoyed very much.
I have truly been blessed.
I have met Mike Holt twice in my career. Once was in San Diego, at a Bussmann Selective Fuse Co-ordination seminar, and just recently in Newark, Delaware at a Grounding & Bonding Seminar. I mainly use Mike's materials for teaching. There are many good products out on the market for teaching, but I have not seen any that are better than Mike's. Again, pardon me for being long-winded, but I just felt like getting this message out. But "jimwalker", I would still like to see the code reference put down on all answers, but I do understand where you are coming from.
Thank-you, for your reply jimwalker, I am a retired electrician that worked for the DuPont Company for 45 years, before I contacted esophageal cancer and that forced my retirement, or I would still be working at DuPont.
I have put my energies and knowledge into teaching at Delaware Technical & Community College, where I am teaching the Code, PLC's, and HVAC/R electrical controls.
So, I do have more time than you hard-working every day electricians.
Pardon me for being long-winded, but I am very proud of surviving esophageal cancer and being able to teach subjects that I enjoyed very much.
I have truly been blessed.
I have met Mike Holt twice in my career. Once was in San Diego, at a Bussmann Selective Fuse Co-ordination seminar, and just recently in Newark, Delaware at a Grounding & Bonding Seminar. I mainly use Mike's materials for teaching. There are many good products out on the market for teaching, but I have not seen any that are better than Mike's. Again, pardon me for being long-winded, but I just felt like getting this message out. But "jimwalker", I would still like to see the code reference put down on all answers, but I do understand where you are coming from.
mvannevel
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Re: Branch circuits
A discussion on this very topic came up in the office this morning. Does this include the 20 ampere small applicance branch circuits, laundry circuits, and bathroom receptacle circuits? I say yes, but the opinions here are split right down the middle. Your input would be appreciated.
A discussion on this very topic came up in the office this morning. Does this include the 20 ampere small applicance branch circuits, laundry circuits, and bathroom receptacle circuits? I say yes, but the opinions here are split right down the middle. Your input would be appreciated.
volt101
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Re: Branch circuits
But "what if" that washer draws 12.1 amps?
But "what if" that washer draws 12.1 amps?
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Branch circuits
any item requiring a 20 amp receptacle should have a 20 amp plug so it can not be pluged into that 15 amp receptacle.
any item requiring a 20 amp receptacle should have a 20 amp plug so it can not be pluged into that 15 amp receptacle.
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Re: Branch circuits
Friebel:
210.21 is the article that allows 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp circuit unless it is a "single receptacle" this is one outlet on the yoke. Then it requires it to have the rating of the circuit.
Friebel:
210.21 is the article that allows 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp circuit unless it is a "single receptacle" this is one outlet on the yoke. Then it requires it to have the rating of the circuit.
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Re: Branch circuits
Volt101
Volt101
If a receptacle is rated for 15 amps it is allowed a 15 amp load, it is not a breaker that is only allowed 80%. and since a washer is not a Fastened in Place appliance it is allowed to load the circuit to 80% as in 210.23(A)(1) But the dryer if it has the anti-tip over retainer bracket installed that some might say it is a Fastened in Place appliance then it would fall under the 210.23(A)(2) 50% load requirement which I don't think it would violate.
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Don I would agree they are 2 receptacles in the sence of the word,but are they isolated from one another?still on the same yoke so 15 a is ok but if isolated then 20 a are required.A single device must have a circuit that matches that ampacity
Don I would agree they are 2 receptacles in the sence of the word,but are they isolated from one another?still on the same yoke so 15 a is ok but if isolated then 20 a are required.A single device must have a circuit that matches that ampacity
charlie
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Re: Branch circuits
Friebel, my posts are all over the place, sometimes I will give a reference, and sometimes I do not. It depends on whether or not my
Code book is handy (which computer I am on) and if I want to go to the trouble to look it up. If someone has a problem finding what I am talking about and ask, I will look it up if someone doesn't beat me to it. Sometimes, I will even place the Code text into my answer. The bottom line is that I do not intend to give references all the time and I doubt anyone else will either unless it would be Ed McClaren (I probably butchered his last name, sorry Ed).
The two receptacles (or even three) that are on the same yoke are not required to be isolated from each other. In other words, a duplex receptacle is just that, two receptacles.
Friebel, my posts are all over the place, sometimes I will give a reference, and sometimes I do not. It depends on whether or not my
Code book is handy (which computer I am on) and if I want to go to the trouble to look it up. If someone has a problem finding what I am talking about and ask, I will look it up if someone doesn't beat me to it. Sometimes, I will even place the Code text into my answer. The bottom line is that I do not intend to give references all the time and I doubt anyone else will either unless it would be Ed McClaren (I probably butchered his last name, sorry Ed).
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