Breaker size needed for step down transformer

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justcheckit

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I have a piece of equipment that calls for a 60a 220v breaker.
Am i correct that i can feed a step down transformer a 480 - 240 15kVA with a 30a breaker to provide equipment protection? I will also run it through a buck/booster to bring it down to 220v. My thought process is the 2:1 step down halves the voltage but doubles the amps.
 

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I have a piece of equipment that calls for a 60a 220v breaker.
Am i correct that i can feed a step down transformer a 480 - 240 15kVA with a 30a breaker to provide equipment protection? I will also run it through a buck/booster to bring it down to 220v. My thought process is the 2:1 step down halves the voltage but doubles the amps.
Please show us how you came to those figures. Then we will tell you what's right and what's not.
 

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Not sure what figures you are interested in.
60a at 240v = 14.4kVA so 15kVA transformer is actually good for 62.5a at 240
Manufacture calls for a 60a breaker at 220v (actual load is 27a)
the step down transformer is 480 to 240 so have the voltage double the amps
60a at 240 equates to 30a at 480
im under 80% load for the breaker
 

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There are different rules in the NEC for primary and secondary transformer protection based on how everything is configured. If you are unfamiliar with how the NEC works, perhaps this is a task better suited for someone who does and is there to see ALL of the issues involved.
 

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I have a piece of equipment that calls for a 60a 220v breaker.
Am i correct that i can feed a step down transformer a 480 - 240 15kVA with a 30a breaker to provide equipment protection? I will also run it through a buck/booster to bring it down to 220v. My thought process is the 2:1 step down halves the voltage but doubles the amps.
How many amps does the machine draw? The breaker size is almost immaterial.
The breaker feeding the transformer often needs to be greater than 125% of the primary rating. Depending on the size of the secondary breaker, the NEC allows up to 250%.

Some transformers have taps that might let you get close to your desired 220v.
But, 220V is not a standard voltage for 60Hz equipment. Is your load heaters or motors?
 

topgone

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Not sure what figures you are interested in.
60a at 240v = 14.4kVA so 15kVA transformer is actually good for 62.5a at 240
Manufacture calls for a 60a breaker at 220v (actual load is 27a)
the step down transformer is 480 to 240 so have the voltage double the amps
60a at 240 equates to 30a at 480
im under 80% load for the breaker
60A primary breaker does not mean your primary current is 60A. As what @jim said, you are allowed to size your breaker up to 250% per NEC rules. That is to prevent the breaker from tripping when energizing. Best for you to see the actual equipment nameplate and know the rated amps. The NEC rule for sizing the secondary breaker is to size the breaker at 125%.
 

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this is a laser made in Germany which is why its 220v. The data plate gives the load at 27a. I have a dry type auto transformer 15kVA with no taps to adjust voltage, just the leads to coils. i figure after setup down i will be around 238v. from there i can buck to 220 so it sounds like i should have 60a breakers at the primary and secondary.
 

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60a at 240v = 14.4kVA
Based on your making this computation, I infer the equipment is 2-wire single phase, which I don't believe has otherwise been indicated. The rest of my response is predicated on that being the case:

You can't use an autotransformer from a 480V system to get 2-wire 240V unless the 480V system is corner grounded and one of the circuit conductors is the grounded conductor. See 210.9 and 215.11.

But with a 2-wire primary / 2-wire secondary isolation transformer, my impression is that the various relevant NEC sections have language that basically allow you to treat the secondary conductors as protected by the primary OCPD with the appropriate ratio (have not double checked that statement).

E.g. if the equipment is fine with a 30A 240V circuit (ignoring the 220V question, which you could use an autotransformer for if necessary), then a suitable transformer supplied by a 15A 480V breaker would be fine load-wise, with the secondary conductors sized for 30A.

Except that the transformer primary OCPD size would be determined by sizing it large enough to avoid inrush tripping. In which case the primary conductors would end up larger than necessary for the load. And it might be useful to use secondary OCPD just to avoid oversizing of the secondary conductors.

Lastly, the above is just inference from reading here in this forum, so hopefully if I got any of the details wrong, I will be corrected. : - )

Cheers, Wayne
 

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Yes. I got ahead of myself, this is two wire single phase. And a 480 to 240 is an isolation transformer then 240 to the autotransformer(which honestly might also be an isolation transformer, I don't remember which one i purchased and it is not in front of me now). Thank you Wayne for catching my miss step! Based on the warning sticker that says voltage outside of 208-230v will void warranty. I figured that the buck/booster was cheap insurance. I will check it out and see if inrush trips the 30a, I plan to use a fused service disconnect on the secondary and use 6 awg for the secondary conductors which is the largest that the unit lugs will accommodate. You guys are a wealth of knowledge. NEC is great but some of it just doesn't read right. I must have read 450 about 20 times.

Thanks again
 

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Not the right section for this i know, but here is an interesting question that was brought up. The intended user is in a wheelchair. The NEC states a maximum height for a safety/disconnect switch but no minimum height. So i would think a useful height for the end user would be acceptable? In this case to access the fuses 36-42 inchs.
 

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Not the right section for this i know, but here is an interesting question that was brought up. The intended user is in a wheelchair. The NEC states a maximum height for a safety/disconnect switch but no minimum height. So i would think a useful height for the end user would be acceptable? In this case to access the fuses 36-42 inchs.
Why would the user be operating the disconnect switch?
 

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Has the user been trained to replace fuses? He would need to find some way to disconnect power to the fusible switch to do that? Does he have access to that?
Not to mention, the cause for a blown fuse should be investigated and remedied prior to replacing the fuse.
 
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