Bryant breaker compatibility

[Stevenfyeager]

What brand breaker will pass a home inspection for a Bryant panel? I’m having difficulty finding Bryant. Thank you

 

[curt swartz]

Eaton BR = Bryant

 

[LarryFine]

What brand breaker will pass a home inspection for a Bryant panel? I’m having difficulty finding Bryant. Thank you

Agreed: BR

If the panel label is still there, it will list acceptable types, probably different brands, and some still made.

 

[norcal]

Agreed: BR

If the panel label is still there, it will list acceptable types, probably different brands, and some still made.

With Bryant it would be Bryant & possibly Westinghouse since Bryant was their subsidiary.

 

[LarryFine]

With Bryant it would be Bryant & possibly Westinghouse since Bryant was their subsidiary.

I was thinking of seeing additional types, like Siemens or Murray models.

 

[Jraef]

With Bryant it would be Bryant & possibly Westinghouse since Bryant was their subsidiary.

That part of Westinghouse was bought by Eaton, hence the Eaton BR = Bryant.

I was thinking of seeing additional types, like Siemens or Murray models.

Although the Murray MP / Siemens QP (again, same thing) were once called "universal" breakers and interchangeable with Bryant, Crouse-Hinds etc., that changed from a listing standpoint and is no longer acceptable unless the breakers are "Classified" to be used in SPECIFIC panels from different mfrs. From what I can tell, Siemens has ceased maintaining the "Classified" listing of the QP lines with old Bryant or Eaton BR panels, they no longer make any mention of it in their literature. So if you can't show it in writing to an AHJ, you can't do it.

Ironically, Eaton still has Classified breakers that can be used in many Siemens and Murray panels. That's not needed for the Bryant because, again, Eaton BR = Bryant.

 

[LarryFine]

Although the Murray MP / Siemens QP (again, same thing) were once called "universal" breakers and interchangeable with Bryant, Crouse-Hinds etc., that changed from a listing standpoint and is no longer acceptable unless the breakers are "Classified" to be used in SPECIFIC panels from different mfrs. From what I can tell, Siemens has ceased maintaining the "Classified" listing of the QP lines with old Bryant or Eaton BR panels, they no longer make any mention of it in their literature. So if you can't show it in writing to an AHJ, you can't do it.

Are you saying that modern MP or QP breakers can't be used in older panels that list them?

 

[Jraef]

Are you saying that modern MP or QP breakers can't be used in older panels that list them?

Older Siemens and Murray panels? Yes they can be used. Siemens will provide a letter stating that if you run into an AHJ that is unaware that they are one and the same, although I learned here recently that Siemens has modified that letter to have a specific age range (1982?) on the Murray panels (when I worked at Siemens, I was the guy that wrote that letter for my region and was never required to state an age range).

Older Bryant panels? Did older Bryant panels actually say on them that you could use Siemens/ ITE / Murray breakers? If they did (I'm not aware of that), then they would be.

 

[LarryFine]

Older Bryant panels? Did older Bryant panels actually say on them that you could use Siemens/ ITE / Murray breakers? If they did (I'm not aware of that), then they would be.

I'll take pics next time I see one, but yes, I have seen other brands' types listed on older panels.

No, I am not saying that I have seen other brands' names spelled out, just their breaker types.

 

[LarryFine]

I found a few labels on the interwebs. I guess they do list brands sometimes:

 

[Stevenfyeager]

I asked the owner to photo the label, it does not list any brand breakers at all. The large name label is Bryant on the label. At the bottom in small print it has : Westinghouse and under that it has ‘Bryant division.’

 

[Stevenfyeager]

That part of Westinghouse was bought by Eaton, hence the Eaton BR = Bryant.


Although the Murray MP / Siemens QP (again, same thing) were once called "universal" breakers and interchangeable with Bryant, Crouse-Hinds etc., that changed from a listing standpoint and is no longer acceptable unless the breakers are "Classified" to be used in SPECIFIC panels from different mfrs. From what I can tell, Siemens has ceased maintaining the "Classified" listing of the QP lines with old Bryant or Eaton BR panels, they no longer make any mention of it in their literature. So if you can't show it in writing to an AHJ, you can't do it.

Ironically, Eaton still has Classified breakers that can be used in many Siemens and Murray panels. That's not needed for the Bryant because, again, Eaton BR = Bryant.

Eaton BR = Bryant. : can I find that document to have for the inspector?

 

[LarryFine]

I asked the owner to photo the label, it does not list any brand breakers at all. The large name label is Bryant on the label. At the bottom in small print it has : Westinghouse and under that it has ‘Bryant division.’

Then you can't go wrong with BR breakers.

 

[LarryFine]

Eaton BR = Bryant. : can I find that document to have for the inspector?

No inspector should need to be told that BR came from BRyant.

 

[SummitElectric1]

Here is a link to a letter from an Application Engineer at Eaton Corporation detailing the compatibility for Eaton BR series breakers as of January 2012.
For standard thermal magnetic circuit breakers in Westinghouse or Bryant panels it shows Type BR as the suitable replacement.
I think I have another letter from Eaton that is a little more current detailing the approved AFCI breaker for Westinghouse and Bryant, but I'll have to dig through an old hard drive to find it.

I hope this is helpful for the OP.

Eaton Breaker Compatibility

 

[curt swartz]

Larry, your examples are of older Murray/Crouse Hinds loadcenters. They frequently listed other manufactures breakers. I don't believe Bryant ever listed competitors breakers on their label.

 

[norcal]

Larry, your examples are of older Murray/Crouse Hinds loadcenters. They frequently listed other manufactures breakers. I don't believe Bryant ever listed competitors breakers on their label.

And that ended when Siemens bought Murray. I had a Westinghouse panelboard configured for plug-in breakers, they listed either Westinghouse or Bryant breakers as being compatible for it, but neither are competitive breakers, just different product offerings.

 

[Stevenfyeager]

Thank you for your help !