Buck/Boost

wireday

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Coming from a 208/120V single phase panel, I need 220V. Have a 2 pole in the 208 panel going to buck/boost transformer then to a Sub panel. where would I need OC protection for the secondary? It would seem the 208 feeder breaker would not cover the secondary.
 

winnie

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You can divide transformers into two general classes, 'autotransformers' and 'isolating transformers'.

In an isolating transformer you have separate primary and secondary coils. There is no continuous electrical path from input to output. With an isolating transformer _all_ the transferred power goes through the magnetic core. You also get complete control of secondary grounding.

In an autotransformer you do have a connection from primary to secondary. Only some power passes through the magnetic core, some goes directly from input to output. The grounding remains unchanged from input to output.

A 'buck/boost' transformer is an autotransformer. Going from 208 to 220, 1kVA of transformer can support 18 kVA of loads. This is why people use autotransformer setups. But you don't get a balanced 110/220V grounded neutral setup. You get some odd unbalanced single phase where one leg is 120V to ground, the other leg is >130V to ground, and you don't have a neutral.

You could feed a subpanel with a buck/boost transformer, but you shouldn't unless the odd voltage and lack of neutral is fine for the loads being served. You might do this if you are using a 3 phase buck/boost arrangement to feed pure 3 phase loads.

When an isolating transformer is used to feed a panel, the common setup is to use the panel main OCPD as the transformer secondary OCPD, and to size the secondary conductors to follow tap rules.

If the panel is too far away to meet the tap rules, then you will need a local OCPD.

If you have a pure 208:220V single phase transformer, then the primary can protect the secondary. But if the secondary is split with a neutral tap, then you must have secondary protection.

Jon
 

kwired

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NE Nebraska
Ok a step up transformer,
Do you have two or three wire secondary? A two wire to two wire transformer can have secondary protected by the primary overcurrent device if desired. Output current will be directly proportional to input current. If you have three wire secondary (say 120/240) then is possible to overload one half the secondary but not trip the primary device.

If this is really a buck boost there technically is no secondary, it falls under autotransformers as far as how to apply code
 
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wireday

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It’s a buck boost says right on label 1.50KVA , my pic won’t load, does this mean I only need the OCD at the feed panel? It’s single phase 220V,
 

wireday

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Do you have two or three wire secondary? A two wire to two wire transformer can have secondary protected by the primary overcurrent device if desired. Output current will be directly proportional to input current. If you have three wire secondary (say 120/240) then is possible to overload one half the secondary but not trip the primary device.

If this is really a buck boost there technically is no secondary, it falls under autotransformers as far as how to apply code
2 wire 220 single phase
 

wwhitney

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2017 NEC said:
408.36 Overcurrent Protection. In addition to the requirement of 408.30, a panelboard shall be protected by an overcurrent protective device having a rating not greater than that of the panelboard. This overcurrent protective device shall be located within or at any point on the supply side of the panelboard.
The above contains no language about transformers, or about how to translate the protection on the supply side of a transformer to a rating on the load side of the transformer, as 240.4(F) does.

So it seems to me that in applying 408.36, a 2-wire : 2-wire autotransformer on the supply side should be treated the same as a 2-wire : 2-wire isolation transformer. If the latter case requires a secondary-side OCPD to protect a panelboard even when 240.4(F) allows the primary side OCPD to protect the secondary conductors, then the same would apply with an autotransformer.

Cheers, Wayne
 

wwhitney

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If this is really a buck boost there technically is no secondary, it falls under autotransformers as far as how to apply code
Since the NEC doesn't define transformer, primary, or secondary, I don't think we necessarily say that an autotransformer has no secondary. The way the NEC is using the terms, seems like "primary" of a transformer is just "supply-side" and "secondary" is just "load-side". At least for wiring systems with only one source.

Cheers, Wayne
 

kwired

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Since the NEC doesn't define transformer, primary, or secondary, I don't think we necessarily say that an autotransformer has no secondary. The way the NEC is using the terms, seems like "primary" of a transformer is just "supply-side" and "secondary" is just "load-side". At least for wiring systems with only one source.

Cheers, Wayne
You might be correct there, but the "secondary" of an autotransformer definitely is not a "separately derived system" but the secondary of an isolation transformer would be.
 

wwhitney

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the "secondary" of an autotransformer definitely is not a "separately derived system" but the secondary of an isolation transformer would be.
The secondary of an isolation transformer may be installed as an SDS (and usually is), but typically need not be installed as an SDS.

But that is a difference, the secondary of an autotransformer is definitely not an SDS.

Cheers, Wayne
 
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