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Burglar alarms

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peter d

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New England
I'm wondering if anyone here installs them on a regular basis.

I have wired and installed only one. Emphasis on
"installed." I got the whole thing together, and then powered it up, but I couldn't program it to save my life.

I would like to do more but after that experience, I will be hesistant to do anthing except the rough-in.
 

tom baker

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Bremerton, Washington
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Master Electrician
Re: Burglar alarms

The programming can be daunting, I work on all types of programmable equipment, all require a read through of the manual.
 

macmikeman

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Peter, I used to install them alot. Alarm wiring carries a lot of legal issue baggage around with it. First rule is do not try to write up your own proposal and go installing. The legal issues attached to alarm installation have been hammered out in courtrooms across the land and there are available contracts that limit the liability of the installer/monitoring company that are tried and true. Second thing is many of the programming options for each program field are things that carry legal ramifications of their own. Improper zone programming could land you in court, especially if a house alarm system is breached by intruders. The reality is that it is not a venue to just think we can blindly jump into simply because we know how to figure voltage drop and are familiar with electrical codes. Proper alarm installation and monitoring requires proper training. Alot of the alarm companies don't even do a good job of training their own people. Just as we don't like it to see alarm guys attempt to rig up sensor lighting, or run thier own receptacles to power the alarm panel, because they don't know what mistakes they are making, the same is true when electricians attempt to go alarm installiing without knowing all the tricks and have the proper installation training.
 

peter d

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Location
New England
Re: Burglar alarms

Thanks for the info, mackmikeman.

As far as I know, the system I installed is still inactive. :eek:

I have no intention of doing another one unless I get all the proper training.
 

JohnE

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Location
Milford, MA
Re: Burglar alarms

We do residential burglar alarms on a regular basis. They are not difficult. If you want to get into this work, I'd recommend finding a supplier and choosing a brand. Then get familiar with the Rep. Like many things, the programming is simple once understood, and Greek when you begin. Because it is only a part of my business, I've limited myself to one brand (DSC). I've used it for about 13-14 years, and it has grown from about 10% market share to over 50%. They have an excellent product and tech support.

We got started in it because we had a GC who couldn't find an alarm co. that he was happy with. It was a no brainer to begin this work with an existing customer base, and we now do burglar alarms for almost all of our GC's. Since we are already on jobs with all the tools out, the alarms are a piece of cake.

Central Station Monitoring is another peice of the puzzle. The way it works is that you become an authorized dealer and do the programming to tie the system in to central station. You also do the billing and mark-up. A typical service will cost a dealer under $10.00/ month and he will bill $25.00. Essentially you will make $180.00/ year for each account for simply invoicing. I'd recommend a UL listed station, as the stations could very widely in quality otherwise.

As Mike mentioned there is certainly a liability for this work, and that is something to consider.

If you have a market for this type of work, I'd pursue it. I'd be glad to offer specific advice if you do pursue it.
 

JohnE

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Location
Milford, MA
Re: Burglar alarms

BTW, In MA there is an additional license from the DPS known as a "Security systems contractors license" for contracting burglar alarm work, and one known as "security system installer" for installing systems. They are basically background clearances to make sure nobody with a criminal history is installing burglar alarms. FWIW, only one inspector has ever asked to see mine.
 

raider1

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Location
Logan, Utah
Re: Burglar alarms

Utah also has a special license for alarm contractors. This requires an applicant to have National Burglar and Fire Alarm Association (NBFAA) Level 1 Certification requirement or their equivalent.

As formentioned, there is alot of liability involved in installing alarms. A few contractors in my area don't seem to realize this and think that you can just by the stuff locally and install it.

Chris
 
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