Can Medicine Cabinet Receptacle Count as Required

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BMacky

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I've just roughed in a master bathroom and provided a couple of wall receptalces, one for each basin at the backsplash and within the 3-foot required spacing. The homeowner would like to eliminate the left hand side outlet and move the right-hand side outlet to the right, out of a mosaic tile pattern (which I was not made aware of until after the rough).

If I move the right side outlet to the preferred location, the left hand basin edge is over 3-feet from the outlet by a couple of inches. I will probably consult with the AHJ on this, but does anyone know if a listed medicine (Robern) cab with a GFCI-protected receptacle will cover me as far as the required receptacle goes for the left-hand basin?

Thanks!

Bob
 
The code just requires a receptacle within 3 feet of the basin, not withing 3 feet of all points on the basin. You're fine with one.

Mark

Edited: Sorry. Didn't see that there were 2 basins. I retract that answer. I would ask the AHJ.
 
BMacky said:
does anyone know if a listed medicine (Robern) cab with a GFCI-protected receptacle will cover me as far as the required receptacle goes for the left-hand basin?

Thanks!

Bob
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IMSO it will not be compliant.

210.52(D)

The receptacle outlet shall be located on a wall or partition that is adjacent to the basin or basin countertop.
 
Can you take advantage of the exception to 210.52(D)? Is there a cabinet under each basin?
 
BMacky said:
but does anyone know if a listed medicine (Robern) cab with a GFCI-protected receptacle will cover me as far as the required receptacle goes for the left-hand basin?
Thanks! Bob
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NO!

210.52 Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets.
This section provides requirements for 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere receptacle outlets. Receptacle outlets required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is part of a luminaire (lighting fixture) or appliance, located within cabinets or cupboards, or located more than 1.7 m (5? ft) above the floor.
 
jwelectric said:
NO!

210.52 Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets.
This section provides requirements for 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere receptacle outlets. Receptacle outlets required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is part of a luminaire (lighting fixture) or appliance, located within cabinets or cupboards, or located more than 1.7 m (5? ft) above the floor.
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This is the "dealbreaker" that most people seem not to see when they are reading the NEC.
That is why I teach the guys to read the section number as well as the subsection, looking for any exception that may follow.
 
I'm not sure I understand your point, Pierre. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with Mike?
 
jwelectric said:
210.52 Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets.

This section provides requirements for 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere receptacle outlets. Receptacle outlets required by this section shall be in addition to any receptacle that is part of a luminaire (lighting fixture) or appliance, located within cabinets or cupboards, or located more than 1.7 m (5? ft) above the floor.
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The exception to 210.52(D) allows the "required" receptacle outlet on, but not inside, the basin cabinet, only. The NEC Handbook adds this commentary between 210.52(D) and 210.52(D) Exception:
This receptacle is required in addition to any receptacle that may be part of any luminaire or medicine cabinet.
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I'm not sure Bmacky and busman are on the same page.

It sounds like busman thinks there is a receptacle within 3' of both basins without the medicine cabinet outlet.

I think Bmacky said the receptacle wasn't within 3' of the left-hand basin, and I think Busman took that to mean it wasn't within 3' of the left-hand EDGE of the basin.

Steve
 
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