Can someone please explain how to hook this up

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I think what makes it particularly confusing is that both hookups show "L2" but no L1. You have to assume that L1 (or N) is on the left.
 
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Yea and then look at low voltage it seems everything is under L2 which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Any other opinions?
The lines join T1 and T3 and join T2 and T4. But it is not at all clear that the two lines do not join where they cross, nor that one supply line connects to the midpoint of one jumper line while the other input connects to the midpoint of the other jumper.
 
The lines join T1 and T3 and join T2 and T4. But it is not at all clear that the two lines do not join where they cross, nor that one supply line connects to the midpoint of one jumper line while the other input connects to the midpoint of the other jumper.

The P1 and P2 are the thermo protection in the windings.

The VFC 400P 5T motor has a Pilot duty thermo protector and is light duty low current and must be put in series with a contactor controlling the motor.

In models VFC400P and VFC504P, VFC100A ?
VFC600, VFC084A ? VFC904A, the thermal switch
must be put in series with the magnetic starter coil
(low current circuit).
The thermal switch opens at
135? + 5?C (275? + 9?F) and closes at 88? + 15?C
(190? + 27?F). Magnetic contactors and magnetic
starters must be reset manually in most cases. Some
electrical circuits may vary. Please contact system
electrical drawings or a qualified electrician to
trouble shoot the circuit.
found on page 52 in the PDF

So with this information, the motor is easy, run line 1 to T1, jumper T2 to T3, then connect line 2 to T4, using a contactor rated for the motor load the motor will connect to the load side of this contactor, and supply to the line side, you can use a standard three wire stop start circuit of even just a simple single pole switch but you must use a contactor with the P1 and P2 in series with the coil.

If you do not use a contactor then you will not have thermo protection for this motor, this model only comes with a low current thermo contacts and can not be put in series with the motor! a three wire stop start control circuit would be the safest as it would require human intervention to start the pump back up upon the thermo dropping out, this would be a much safer as just wiring it to a switch would allow the motor to restart when the motor cooled without anyone checking to why it is over heating?
 
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It's almost funny. Fuji is a big company. Looking at the docs for the compressor I see all
kinds of charts and engineering stuff. It goes on and on with the technical data. And yet it
has that crappy little wiring diagram on the motor. In my opinion a wiring diagram should
be concise and clear to anyone with some experience. But it doesn't look like whoever did the
label agrees with me.
 
May not be clear to everyone..P1 and P2 open on over temp. They should be wired in series with the starter coil. Most are self-resetting when the motor cools, but some may still require a manual reset. I'll never admit to it, but sometimes the overtemp switch opens and won't close, so SOME people have been known to just hook the wires going to P1 and P2 together. Disassembling the motor to replace the switch is not usually a popular option. But you didn't hear ME suggest it.:happysad:
 
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May not be clear to everyone..P1 and P2 open on over temp. They should be wired in series with the starter coil. Most are self-resetting when the motor cools, but some may still require a manual reset. I'll never admit to it, but sometimes the overtemp switch opens and won't close, so SOME people have been known to just hook the wires going to P1 and P2 together. Disassembling the motor to replace the switch is not usually a popular option. But you didn't hear ME suggest it.:happysad:

Yep like I posted in post 7

What I don't see is any overload protection that is in-line with the supply lines, I don't think that the thermo protection can be treated as an overload, and they even recommend that you use a magnetic motor starter, which is what I would use rated for a 1hp motor, they seem to imply that all you need is a contactor for overload protection with the P1 and P2 in series with the coil but I do not think this would meet the requirements of article 430 which wants something monitoring the current to the motor not its temp?

Heres what they state in their PDF

units have pilot duty thermal protectors requiring only the
addition of an external contactor for overload protection, however, magnetic motor starters are recommended.

Ring compressors have been around for a while now and have been used for about everything from blowing bubbles in hot tubs, aerators for small ponds to vacuum pumps for material handling, one thing I have noticed with them is unlike a centrifugal blower or water pump, a ring compressors current goes up as the air flow is blocked off, it's not much but it can overload the motor, most centrifugal blowers or water pumps actually drop current as the air flow or water is blocked, this is because they are no longer moving as much mass then when it is fully moving the air or water, but a ring compressor is about as close as you can get with a centrifugal blower to a positive displacement compressor with out it being one, it is the design of the very close tolerances between the impeller and housing that forces the air to flow in one direction so it just doesn't fling the air out like a centrifugal blower does, this makes it a very good choice for a vacuum pump where you need a steady constant vacuum to hold product in a suction cup like pulling eggs from key flats, their 10 and 20hp pumps can achieve a 110 IN,H2O which was unheard of with a centrifugal pump, before their development only a positive displacement compressor could achieve that much vacuum suction which many are of the vane design which has allot more parts to wear out, when I worked for an automated egg processing plant that used vane pumps to remove the eggs from the key flats that came in on trucks from the farms, they would struggle getting even 40 In's H2O, 110 In's would suck the egg empty if we had them back then, we were always rebuilding them because the vanes would wear out regularly and the vacuum would drop off causing the eggs to fall off the suction cups.
 
I think what makes it particularly confusing is that both hookups show "L2" but no L1. You have to assume that L1 (or N) is on the left.

So you should guess? ;)

I agree with the sentiment that the diagram is crap. :roll:
 
May not be clear to everyone..P1 and P2 open on over temp. They should be wired in series with the starter coil. Most are self-resetting when the motor cools, but some may still require a manual reset. I'll never admit to it, but sometimes the overtemp switch opens and won't close, so SOME people have been known to just hook the wires going to P1 and P2 together. Disassembling the motor to replace the switch is not usually a popular option. But you didn't hear ME suggest it.:happysad:
You never heard me say I bypassed a thermal sensor either:angel:

All the new fans I connected this season for grain storage aeration (at least all of them from one manufacturer in particular, and this was for several different models from same manufacturer, were factory connected without incorporating the theremal limit embedded in motor windings connected to the control circuit. They did have motor overload device on the controllers though, but most were cranked to highest setting and you needed to set them properly, as well as check all factory terminations to the motor controller - some were not very tight.
 
The manual is clear, the silkscreen diagram on the nameplate is crap. Just goes to show that even the best work from an Engineer can by thwarted by mediocre work by a graphics person who has no clue what they are looking at. If you look at the label and manual, you can see that the Engineer was likely in Japan, the compressor was made in Taiwan. Probably some bean counter somewhere made a decision that it was too expensive to have the Engineer spend time reviewing and approving the graphics work for the nameplate. I used to see that a lot when dealing with equipment made in Asia, especially China and Taiwan. They tend to dump off tasks like the plate silk screening to very low cost providers with insufficient cross checking.

Secondary issue:
It's perfectly acceptable per the NEC to not have an external overlad relay on a motor, if "suitable other means" of thermal protection are provided (not a direct quote). So if the thermal sensor in the motor is properly applied, it's fine. BUT, the motor would need to be UL (NRTL) listed as such, because the NEC requires that the "other means" protect at a minimum specific level of temperature that can be equated to an amount of current that an OL relay would protect for. So the only way for an AHJ to know if that is the case is to see a label on the motor stating that specifically. Bottom line, it USUALLY is fine, but when dealing with imported equipment, you can get burned if the AHJ is looking for confirmation that is not there. So one way to not have to worry about that is to just use an external OL relay. There is no prohibition against having more than one.
 
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