can trims
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Tim, no to both questions unless local ordinances apply.
The fixture must be "marked" per 410.4(A).(I consider this a "wet location")
I can't recall seeing a fixture for "wet locations" that was not enclosed.
But the manufacturers label and listing are the determining factors.
Roger
[ September 27, 2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
Tim, no to both questions unless local ordinances apply.
The fixture must be "marked" per 410.4(A).(I consider this a "wet location")
I can't recall seeing a fixture for "wet locations" that was not enclosed.
But the manufacturers label and listing are the determining factors.
Roger
[ September 27, 2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
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Re: can trims
If a jacuzzi is a hydromassage bathtub per 680.1 wouldn't 680.22(B)(2) apply?
I doubt if the 7'6" above could be met in a non-custom built home.
Mike P.
If a jacuzzi is a hydromassage bathtub per 680.1 wouldn't 680.22(B)(2) apply?
I doubt if the 7'6" above could be met in a non-custom built home.
Mike P.
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I will suggest to study up on 680.7x and also 680.43(B)(1). Those are the main citations that may apply. If it's an indoor hydrotherapy tub that is normally drained after each use you may be able to have additional leeway. If it is permitted by the AHJ it is my interpretation that GFCI protection will be required. Your mileage may vary.
[ September 27, 2003, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
I will suggest to study up on 680.7x and also 680.43(B)(1). Those are the main citations that may apply. If it's an indoor hydrotherapy tub that is normally drained after each use you may be able to have additional leeway. If it is permitted by the AHJ it is my interpretation that GFCI protection will be required. Your mileage may vary.
[ September 27, 2003, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
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Wayne
I have read 680.7+ and it only applys to the tub. 680.72 refers us to chapters 1-4. 410.4(D) is the only thing that I could find. 680.43(B)(1): how does that effect what I said.
Help me understand your point.
Mike P.
Wayne
I have read 680.7+ and it only applys to the tub. 680.72 refers us to chapters 1-4. 410.4(D) is the only thing that I could find. 680.43(B)(1): how does that effect what I said.
Help me understand your point.
Mike P.
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I wasn't making a clear argument. It's a tough call. My point is you are at the mercy of the AHJ in my opinion. You need to be armed with all the citations you can find so you can hope for an interpretation in your favor. 680.43(B)(1) mentions the GFCI part-- so if AHJ sees it as a hot-tub/spa it's going to have to be GFCI & 7'-6" above water line. If AHJ sees it as Hydro-Therapy than, in my opinion the water line rule may not apply. I'm sorry I don't have a final answer for you-- it's really up to the AHJ. If it's seen as a Hydromassage tub then you are in a different category that gets you into easier rules.
I hope this is helpful. It's the best I have to offer in this situation. Maybe posting more details of your exact situation would spark a better & safer answer from somebody here.
Who is the resident swimming pool/spa/hot-tub/hydro-therapy expert on this forum? Are there any electricians, etc. here that specialize in this field? They will know all the exceptions.
../Wayne C.
[ September 28, 2003, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: awwt ]
I wasn't making a clear argument. It's a tough call. My point is you are at the mercy of the AHJ in my opinion. You need to be armed with all the citations you can find so you can hope for an interpretation in your favor. 680.43(B)(1) mentions the GFCI part-- so if AHJ sees it as a hot-tub/spa it's going to have to be GFCI & 7'-6" above water line. If AHJ sees it as Hydro-Therapy than, in my opinion the water line rule may not apply. I'm sorry I don't have a final answer for you-- it's really up to the AHJ. If it's seen as a Hydromassage tub then you are in a different category that gets you into easier rules.
I hope this is helpful. It's the best I have to offer in this situation. Maybe posting more details of your exact situation would spark a better & safer answer from somebody here.
Who is the resident swimming pool/spa/hot-tub/hydro-therapy expert on this forum? Are there any electricians, etc. here that specialize in this field? They will know all the exceptions.
../Wayne C.
[ September 28, 2003, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: awwt ]
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Re: can trims
I am no expert but I might start with a look at 680.2 Definitions
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A recess over a tub or a jacuzzi that does not have a shower does not have to be inclosed. A recess in a shower has to be approved for a shower. A shower is a damp location not a wet location.
A recess over a tub or a jacuzzi that does not have a shower does not have to be inclosed. A recess in a shower has to be approved for a shower. A shower is a damp location not a wet location.
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I'm with you George. Also in either case gfci is not applicable.
I'm with you George. Also in either case gfci is not applicable.
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