CEE and Connection Point for Others

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Just wondering how some of you are providing a connection to the GEC for the phone/cable Co's when using a CEE with no outside accesible point of connection. I was informed yesterday by the local AHJ that it is my responsibilty to provide the conductor for others to connect to. I can visualize stubbing a #6 out of the panel thru the siding but that would not look too professional IMO.
 
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They should be able to bring a ground with their cable.

My phone and cable companies brought their grounds through the same hole they fed the cables through. The phone company connected to the armor of the GEC, and the cable company to a screw on an NM connector entering the service enclosure.
 
I should probably clarify something here. In my area, the phone and cable junction box is usually placed on the outside of the residence right next to the meter location. We run our phone/cable homeruns to that point for the utilities to take it from there.
 
On my house I stubbed out a 12" lenght of 6 AWG copper under the meter.
There is a FPN in Art 250 that mentions this.
 
I install a small grounding bus on the bottom of the equipment using one of those Greenlee drill-tap bits worked good IMO. Gives them a proper place to land. Sometimes the Phone/Cable wants a #8 solid run to their equipment in larger installations attached to a grounding bus.

Tom
 
Locally, I see that they are using a pretty trick T&B fitting that clamps onto the corner of the meter can. I've been meaning to take a picture of that fitting.
 
mdshunk said:
Locally, I see that they are using a pretty trick T&B fitting that clamps onto the corner of the meter can. I've been meaning to take a picture of that fitting.
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Cable co slapped on of those on my house, I showed them the strip on the bottom the next time they were out.

Tom
 
Davis9 said:
I install a small grounding bus on the bottom of the equipment using one of those Greenlee drill-tap bits worked good IMO. Gives them a proper place to land. Sometimes the Phone/Cable wants a #8 solid run to their equipment in larger installations attached to a grounding bus.

Tom
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Are you attaching the ground bar to the bottom of the meter socket?
 
m73214 said:
Are you attaching the ground bar to the bottom of the meter socket?
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Either there or the Main panel depending where the first means of disconnect is. Or where the telco/catv co requests a location. Although I believe there are many other place you can connect to. 820.100(B)(1) 1-7


Tom
 
Thanks for the reference. My AHJ won't allow me to install a ground bar to the exterior of the meter socket for the phone/cable guys to connect to. Maybe this code reference will give me some ammunition to the contrary. Wouldn't the meter socket be considered part of 820.100(B) (5), the service equipment enclosure?
 
m73214 said:
Thanks for the reference. My AHJ won't allow me to install a ground bar to the exterior of the meter socket for the phone/cable guys to connect to. Maybe this code reference will give me some ammunition to the contrary. Wouldn't the meter socket be considered part of 820.100(B) (5), the service equipment enclosure?
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I think that if you have the main breaker in the enclosure it is Service Equipment, but the Article allows connection to (6) The grounding electrode conductor or the grounding electrode conductor metal enclosure,... Even (3) Power service accessible means external to enclosure as covered in 250.94, 250.94 allows(1) Exposed nonflexible metallic raceways, All methods for communications circuits,radio and television equipment, and CATV noted in FPN No.2 allow this method. 800.100,810.21, and 820.100

Hope this helps.

Tom

Edited for typos and I probably didn't get them all.
 
mdshunk said:
Locally, I see that they are using a pretty trick T&B fitting that clamps onto the corner of the meter can. I've been meaning to take a picture of that fitting.
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Marc.....Could you get the catalog number of that fitting and post it? That would sure save me a lot of grief.
 
Tom,
Don....Are you inferring the meter socket would be an acceptable place to land phone, cable and satellite dish grounds to?
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Noit exacty. I am saying that you can extend a piece of bare #6 out of the bottom of the meter can for the communications utilities to connect to. However some will say that the meter is not part of the service equipment and not permit this.
Don
 
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