Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
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ryan_618
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Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
I love turning people into the state investigators office for things like this.
Don't do it. It is not worth getting fined.
People who have that license have proven the competency to do the installation, those who do not have it have not.
[ November 10, 2003, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
I love turning people into the state investigators office for things like this.
Don't do it. It is not worth getting fined.
People who have that license have proven the competency to do the installation, those who do not have it have not.
[ November 10, 2003, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
Ask for a partnership. Really if this person brings financial backing to the table and you bring the license there should be some negotiating. It may not be 50/50 but if you hold the license there should be more than a salary.
You and your license are the responsible and qualified party.
Roger
Ask for a partnership. Really if this person brings financial backing to the table and you bring the license there should be some negotiating. It may not be 50/50 but if you hold the license there should be more than a salary.
You and your license are the responsible and qualified party.
Roger
Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
I would call that practice " Sub-letting a License"
Many municipalities have such a clause in the licensing Ordinance forbiding such practices with a heavy fine and losing the license if caught doing so.
Best check your localities Ordinances.
gwz2
I would call that practice " Sub-letting a License"
Many municipalities have such a clause in the licensing Ordinance forbiding such practices with a heavy fine and losing the license if caught doing so.
Best check your localities Ordinances.
gwz2
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Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
This sort of thing has been known to happen in the engineering world as well. One person does a design, and presents the completed project to a licensed professional engineer, who then, for a small fee, applies the PE seal. The practice is explicitly forbidden by law, and violates the Engineers Code of Ethics. I?ve also heard of similar cases related to the misuse of the Washington State Electrical Administrator License.
But let?s not be too hasty in judgment. Let me split a hair here. Are you asking for a fair price for you to pull the permit, so that a person who lacks the legal authority to pull the permit (be that person your boss or a total stranger, it matters not), and so that you can then walk away from the project, leaving all the construction work to the unlicensed person, and not even bothering to inspect the work to assure yourself that the work complies with codes and professional standards of workmanship? If that is your question, then re-read the answers given above. And if your boss is pressuring you into accepting this situation, then I urge you to report your boss to the licensing authority.
However, if you pull the permit, and are involved in pre-job briefings, and monitor the progress of the installation, and are free to inspect and reject unsatisfactory work, then you would be doing what your license requires of you. Bottom line: Don?t involve your license without also involving your brain.
This sort of thing has been known to happen in the engineering world as well. One person does a design, and presents the completed project to a licensed professional engineer, who then, for a small fee, applies the PE seal. The practice is explicitly forbidden by law, and violates the Engineers Code of Ethics. I?ve also heard of similar cases related to the misuse of the Washington State Electrical Administrator License.
But let?s not be too hasty in judgment. Let me split a hair here. Are you asking for a fair price for you to pull the permit, so that a person who lacks the legal authority to pull the permit (be that person your boss or a total stranger, it matters not), and so that you can then walk away from the project, leaving all the construction work to the unlicensed person, and not even bothering to inspect the work to assure yourself that the work complies with codes and professional standards of workmanship? If that is your question, then re-read the answers given above. And if your boss is pressuring you into accepting this situation, then I urge you to report your boss to the licensing authority.
However, if you pull the permit, and are involved in pre-job briefings, and monitor the progress of the installation, and are free to inspect and reject unsatisfactory work, then you would be doing what your license requires of you. Bottom line: Don?t involve your license without also involving your brain.
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Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
Here's what the California Contractors State License Board says. In summary if you are the license holder for a company you have to supervise the operations & the jobs:
[ November 11, 2003, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
Here's what the California Contractors State License Board says. In summary if you are the license holder for a company you have to supervise the operations & the jobs:
In California a license holder can appoint somebody to act as their agent to pull a permit on their behalf, but one cannot as a license holder pull a permit on behalf of somebody else who is unlicensed. The license holder must control the job that the permit is pulled for. A license holder can't go around pulling permits alacarte for cash.
[ November 11, 2003, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
al hildenbrand
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Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
I think Roger hit it on the head.
In Minnesota anyone can be a "licensed" Electrical Contractor (no training required) if you show proof of business insurance, bond and that a Master Electrician is in your employ and that the Master's license is the one of record for the Electrical Contractor.
If you quit, Mitchell, will it be hard for your boss to find another person with a Master License? My guess is that you and your license are the key for the continued existence of your boss' company. That is worth more than an hourly salary.
I think Roger hit it on the head.
In Minnesota anyone can be a "licensed" Electrical Contractor (no training required) if you show proof of business insurance, bond and that a Master Electrician is in your employ and that the Master's license is the one of record for the Electrical Contractor.
If you quit, Mitchell, will it be hard for your boss to find another person with a Master License? My guess is that you and your license are the key for the continued existence of your boss' company. That is worth more than an hourly salary.
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Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
Then it would seem that wages would be in order, plus a monthly license fee of a few hundred bucks (or more). It's whatever the traffic will bear. The more the merrier
Then it would seem that wages would be in order, plus a monthly license fee of a few hundred bucks (or more). It's whatever the traffic will bear. The more the merrier
jimwalker
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Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
We have that problem here in Tampa FL. as well as in most counties if not all.The master might only be an employe ,and often we have masters that are quilifying jobs all over the state and never even see the building,let alone the work.There is no way the master can oversee the work of 200 men,and there is no requirement to even have a journeyman on a job.
We have that problem here in Tampa FL. as well as in most counties if not all.The master might only be an employe ,and often we have masters that are quilifying jobs all over the state and never even see the building,let alone the work.There is no way the master can oversee the work of 200 men,and there is no requirement to even have a journeyman on a job.
pierre
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Re: Charging to use Masters' Liscence to pull permits
Mitchell
With your license, you can go into business tomorrow. Your boss on the other hand can have all the money in the world, but cannot go into business without you or someone like you
Be very careful, because it is your name and license on the mark. I would hire an attorney to make sure you are protected, this can have very lasting repercussions.
Good Luck
Pierre
Mitchell
With your license, you can go into business tomorrow.
Your boss on the other hand can have all the money in the world, but cannot go into business without you or someone like you Be very careful, because it is your name and license on the mark. I would hire an attorney to make sure you are protected, this can have very lasting repercussions.
Good Luck
Pierre
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